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HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:52 pm
by fla4ritup
Old faithful 5890 - this am showed 8333000 as baseline attenuation that can't be changed- happened a year or so ago, was corrected but no one in the lab can remember what corrected it. Anyone ever seen this before?
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:26 pm
by cleh
Are you using Chemstation or an integrator? Does the signal go down if you shut off the flame? Did you do any maintenance or repairs before this happened? The spring from the electrometer PCB to the collector could be shorting or have moisture on it causing it to short. If it's not shorting, could be a bad electrometer.
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:12 pm
by rb6banjo
This might be painfully obvious but I've seen this sort of thing fix stuff in the past. Did you try shutting the system down and bringing it back up?
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:18 pm
by kubowicz.tomasz
Hello
Similar value (around 800000) is when there is short circuit in FID.
I'd recommend check FID:
-jet (scratches etc.)
-insulation disks
-spring (perhaps is bent or not aligned properly)
Regards
Tomasz Kubowicz
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:05 pm
by skunked_once
-spring (perhaps is bent or not aligned properly)
This has happened to me. The spring can get bent and contact the collector.
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:12 pm
by fla4ritup
Are you using Chemstation or an integrator? Does the signal go down if you shut off the flame? Did you do any maintenance or repairs before this happened? The spring from the electrometer PCB to the collector could be shorting or have moisture on it causing it to short. If it's not shorting, could be a bad electrometer.
Thanks, using Chem Station, I believe the "short" must be the case. Will check this out. Thanks
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:14 pm
by fla4ritup
This might be painfully obvious but I've seen this sort of thing fix stuff in the past. Did you try shutting the system down and bringing it back up?
Yes, tried that first- I am checking the collector for a short. Thanks
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:16 pm
by fla4ritup
Hello
Similar value (around 800000) is when there is short circuit in FID.
I'd recommend check FID:
-jet (scratches etc.)
-insulation disks
-spring (perhaps is bent or not aligned properly)
Regards
Tomasz Kubowicz
Thanks, Will check this out.
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:17 pm
by fla4ritup
-spring (perhaps is bent or not aligned properly)
This has happened to me. The spring can get bent and contact the collector.
Thanks, I'll check this out
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:11 pm
by fla4ritup
test
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:25 pm
by fla4ritup
It was the spring- not properly seated from the last overhaul of the FID- there was enough contact to make it work for several months but I could see where the spring was not situated in the "groove" on the collector. Took apart, cleaned,dried and reassembled- doing fine now- however getting the spring properly seated is tough. As you can tell, I'm new to this forum- think I understand the protocols of replying now-Thanks all.
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:17 pm
by rb6banjo
I have a very thin screwdriver that I used to hold that spring off to the side while I slip that collector in there. Then I pull out the screwdriver and the spring snaps into the groove. I'm glad you fixed your problem!
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:27 pm
by fla4ritup
Great idea! Thanks
Re: HP 5890 attenuation issue
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:30 pm
by cleh
I have a very thin screwdriver that I used to hold that spring off to the side while I slip that collector in there. Then I pull out the screwdriver and the spring snaps into the groove. I'm glad you fixed your problem!
Do the same thing! Glad your back in business!