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Analyte loss at injector port?

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First and foremost, our setup and relevant info:

Agilent 6850
Rtx-5 105m x .25mm x .25um (bonded polymethylsiloxyl, capillary GC column)
Injector port temp: 160C
Split Ratio: 20:1
Injection Size: 1uL
Constant pressure (44.14psi) - Flow = 2mL/min and Avg. Velocity at 25.
Packed, quartz wool, tapered liner
Analytes: C5 (hydrocarbons)

After pulling vacuum on our sample, we recovered approximately 6% of what we're calling "solvent lights" (meaning low molecular weight analytes that are covered on our chromatographs by the solvent peak--of course, we use a different solvent when looking at these peaks). When we GC the material prior to pulling vacuum, we're seeing it at about 3%. The discrepancy between these numbers has us thinking that we're possibly losing material at the injector port because it is so volatile (b.p.'s range between approximately Isoprene 34C - Cyclopentene 44C).

Thoughts?
You evacuate your product/sample, then extract with a solvent and do liquid injection. You have 6% of C5. When you don’t apply vacuum to the product you have 3% of C5.
How you calculate %.What is the precision of the method; is sample homogenous?
"If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment." Rutherford
What are you using as solvent for the analysis of the C5 compounds ?

Also, putting the sample under vacuum is not an obvious step as a sample prep for volatile hydrocarbons.

Peter
Peter Apps
In this case also injection technique might be important.

Is it manual or automatic injection?
Filled needle? Empty needle?
Cold needle? Hot needle?
@Alexandre: Not exactly that way, I should have been more specific. We take a crude C5 stream sample, vacuum distill it, and run a sample of the pot bottom after the vacuum distillation, the collected fraction, and the pre-distillation crude sample.

The comparison between the collected and crude is where we see the discrepancy (pot bottom has 0% volatiles after distillation). My 3% figure comes from area %, where their 6% probably comes from wt/wt....I am on the GC end of the project, so I'm not 100% sure about the distillation specifics or their calculations. I'll have to find out more explicitly what they are doing.

@Peter: We use toluene.

@R13: Automatic injection, not sure what you mean about filled vs. empty or cold vs. hot (though my inclination is to say "cold" as it is at room temp.)
Take a look in "Handbook of GC/MS: fundamentals and applications" p 95-96 for short explanations. Accessible trough Google Books.
I double checked with my coworker who is running the distillation and she said that they are, in fact, calculating percentages how I mentioned in an earlier post. Using GC area %'s for pot bottom and untreated and wt/wt %'s for the collected fraction.
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