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calibrtaion of autosampler loop
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:43 pm
by ziyads
how to calibrate the volume of autoinjector loop
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:55 pm
by k66
what for?
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:36 pm
by tom jupille
In HPLC, sample volume accuracy is much less important that precision. Because the calibration and sample runs are done on the same system, it doesn't matter (within reason!) how much you inject, so long as you inject the same amount each time.
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:30 pm
by danko
Besides, it’s not the loop that determines the accuracy or the precision of the injected volume.
Regards
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:17 pm
by k66
Because the calibration and sample runs are done on the same system, it doesn't matter (within reason!) how much you inject, so long as you inject the same amount each time.
Exactly. Systematic error.
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:31 am
by HW Mueller
Overfilling the loop at each injection usually gives the best precision. If one still has a systematic error it most likely has its source elsewhere.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:04 pm
by Mark Tracy
If you want to calibrate the "loop" that is easy: remove it from the system, remove all the liquid from the loop, weigh it, fill it with water, weigh it again. If you want to calibrate the HPLC system, that is a different matter.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:49 pm
by DR
^ agreed - but, as alluded to, the LC injector has some volume above and beyond that of the sample loop (channels in the valve, tubing between the valve and the needle - depending on the injector design etc.).
A semi-good way to look at accuracy is to do a linear regression using a series of injections of different volumes of the same solution, a single component standard of something that has a large extinction coefficient and good peak shape. If you compare your regression results for "forced through zero" to "not forced through zero", you will get an idea of the magnitude of your injector's fixed error.
If you need more than "an idea", you'll have to consult someone who is more comfortable with weighting and statistics than I am.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. I was once told that the internal volume of a certain series of manual injector rotor/seal combinations could (and frequently did) vary by ~17%. If you're really expecting accuracy in the sub 5µL volume area for an automated injector, you may well be disappointed.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:02 pm
by Mark Tracy
The standard tolerances on steel and PEEK capillaries is such that 10% RSD of the volume is not unusual. The manufacturing spec will be 2 times larger.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:10 am
by HW Mueller
Since the volume includes plumbing, as DR pointed out, I see no alternative to strongly overfilling the loop (and thus the rest of the plumbing) with a well characterized standard for a "calibrating the loop" sequence. This is the most consistent injection method I have experienced. (It has been discussed before, no or low overfill can give problems due to laminar flow, syringe variations).
Of course, this assumes that there is no syphoning.
To eliminate injection problems I use a combination of external and internal standard for quantitative work, +, of course, overfill.