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Hi,
I am running a sample containing Ascorbic, Lactic and Kojic Acids. I am having trouble obtaining a consistant Lactic Acid peak. My sample is about 44 % Lactic Acid, I do not see much if any degredation.
I am using the following setup:
column : C8
Mobile phase : isocratic (98 % (0.2 % H3PO4), 2 % (ACN))
Diluent: 0.2 % H3PO4
Is there anything I can change to obtain better peaks?
Thanks

What pH is the phosphate buffer?

Thanks!
Kelly

The pH is ~ 2. This should still be acidic enough to prevent much dissociation?

It is not clear what is wrong with the peak. Also, what is the elution order?

Have you tried a specialty organic acid column, such as available from vendors such as Grace Alltech Prevail, or Thermo Keystone?

What do you mean by "better peaks"? Do you mean you are having poor retention? Resolution?

Maybe posting an example of your chromatogram would be helpful.

I used to work with organic acids quite a bit in my previous postion. They are notorious for being poorly retained on a C8 column, especially the short-chain ones like lactic acid. Despite what the column manufacturer claims, you may need to switch to one specifically designed for organic acid analysis.

I think it isn't much you can do here - except changing the column type.
You cannot lower the pH (it is already very acidic).
You cannot change the selectivity by changing solvent (2% of ACN or MeOH or ... doesn't matter).
You cannot increase the concentration of a buffer (so acidic they excist as neutral molecules).

Actually I think that for compounds this hydrophilic (they all have a negative LogP), the only suitable technique is HILIC.
(If you are not using MS, IC could be an alternative in this case though).

SeQuant have several applications of small organic acids separated by the zwitterionic ZIC-HILIC column, see for example the links below.
For more info I suggest a visit to www.sequant.com or contacting info@sequant.com.
You could also look at some of the scientific publications [e.g., J. Chromatogr. A 1074 (2005) 71-80] to form your own opinion about this.

http://www.sequant.com/sn/ufiles/SeQuan ... 00-12A.pdf
http://www.sequant.com/sn/ufiles/SeQuan ... 00-13A.pdf
http://www.sequant.com/sn/ufiles/SeQuan ... _HILIC.pdf
http://www.sequant.com/sn/p_notes.php?id=7
Tobias Jonsson
Merck SeQuant AB

Lactic acid is not that stable. If dissolved in D.I H2O, one can observe two impurities with higher hydrophobicity (longer retention on a RP column).
In addition to RP and HILIC that have already been mentioned, a new RP/WAX mixed-mode column might be helpful for the separation. Here is the linker to the information on Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1 by Dionex.

http://www1.dionex.com/en-us/webdocs/48 ... 021407.pdf
Figure 7 is closely related to what you are trying to do.

Feel free to let me know if you need additional information.

Xiaodong Liu
Xiaodong Liu

Peaks in lactic acids are not impurities but rather oligomers forming during storage. You can hydrolyze oligomers back to lactic acid by heating aqueous solution at around 50-80*C for couple of hours (you can add catalyst to facilitate hydrolysis of ester). Oligomers will form again after certain time.
Method for lactic acids and oligomers (and other organic/non-organic acids) was developed by us three years ago on Primesep columns:

http://www.sielc.com/application_070.html

WAX-1 column is analog of Primesep B and Primesep B2 columns (anion exchange mixed mode). I checked applications and they support once again validity of mixed mode approach. I am just wondering why all applications are with phosphate buffers? Do you have any with LC/MS friendly conditions, or phase is not stable with ammonium formate or ammonium acetate?

To Jason, is it possible that on the RP column you were using, lactic acid peak was too close to the void and interfered with other non-retentive impurities? If it is the case, a column different retention mechanism (selectivity) needs to be tried.

To SIELC_Tech, since it seems to me that you had some "wonderings" about Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1, the followings are my opionins on this subject:

1. Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1 column has an hydrophobic alkyl chain with an anion-exchange functionality at the top. Thus it is an RP modified anion-exchange stationary phase. By comaprison, Primesep columns have ion-exchange groups at the bottom of alkyl chains, thus they are ion-exchange modified RP columns. Therefore, it is at least inaccurate to call them "analogs".

2. Like you don't use non-endcapped C18 to separate basic molecules at mid-pH due to the secondary interaction of un-reacted silanol groups, you don't want to use an anion-exchange embedded RP column, like Primesep B, to analyze acidic compounds without manipulating the mobile phase. The remedy is, as shown in most of your applications, to suppress the ionization of the acidic analytes by using lower pH. This way, the selectivity control by ionic strength is not fully utilized. And Primesep B and B2 columns don't provide useful selectivity for separating important hydrophilic organic acids, including quinic, glycolic, lactic, acetic, formic, ascorbic, etc (this statement is based on my first-hand experience. Please correct me if I am wrong by showing an example).

For acidic molecule contianing separations, Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1 is a better choice complementary to RP columns since it takes full advantage of selectivity control of ionic strength, pH, organic content.

3. The Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1 column is compatible with MS friendly buffers such as ammonium acetate or formate, TFA. However, compared to phosphate buffer, all this mobile phases have high UV backgrounds, and don't fully utilize ionic strength to control selectivity. Therefore, phosphate-based applications was the initial focus. We will share the applications based on MS-friendly mobile phase that can't be tackled by a RP column and are of great interest at a proper time.

4. To a broader sense, chromatographers are seeking the most straighforward and easiest solutions for the analytical challenges. From that standingpoint, RP chromatography is always preferred, and that is why the ODS column has always been the workhorse. Unfortunately (or fortunately), RP columns (C18, C8, polar-embedded, etc) often fall short when encountering highly hydrophilic compounds, which is when Mixed-Mode columns (AX for acidics, CX for basics) and HILIC columns (for neutrals, and sometimes for acidics and/or basices, too) come into play. I don't think that Mixed-Mode columns are universal columns good for everything because it is rather inconvenient if not difficult to use compared to a RP column. However, in many applications they do provide superior solutions to the RP counterparts. Therefore, I view mixed-mode columns as specialty columns with broad applications.

Finally, every products has certain strengths and weaknesses. I feel it is more constructive to focus on helping people to solve problems by sharing technical insights and recommending proper products (produced either by your companies or by others). Don't you think?

Regtards,
Xiaodong Liu

It is not important how you call Primesep or WAX-1 column. The key is that they are both mixed mode columns with reverse phase and anion-exchange groups. You can call them “RP modified anion-exchange stationary phaseâ€

To SIELC_Tech,

It is important to undertand the column chemistry in order to perform method development properly. Both C18 phase and Phenyl phase are reversed-phase columns, you don't use them the same way or for the same purposes. The same thing applies to the Mixed-Mode columns.

Dionex introduced mixed-mode column called OmniPack PAX and PCX columns more than 10 years ago. I am attaching a couple of links in case anyone is interested:
http://www1.dionex.com/en-us/webdocs/44 ... AX_V19.pdf
http://www1.dionex.com/en-us/webdocs/44 ... 00_V20.pdf

If you understand the essence of OmniPack columns, I bet you will agree that although both OmniPack and Primesep columns are "Mixed-Mode Columns", you will have to take different method development tactics to maximize their use. The same rule applies when comparing Primesep B(2) and Acclaim Mixed-Mode WAX-1. Therefore, to distinguish RP modified anion-exchange phase from anion-exchange modified RP phase is important because the optimal chromatographic conditions may differ, and the application focus may vary, too.

I already told you the reason why we focused on phosphate buffers in the initial method developments. Thank you for suggesting the importance of applications using MS friendly buffers. I will share some results on this subject in one of upcoming conferences. Meanwhile, I will be very curious to see if one of Primesep columns can separate quinic, glycolic, lactic, acetic, formic, and ascorbic acids in any optimal mobile phases.

Although I have been enjoying the discussion with you on Mixed-Mode columns, let's keep in mind that this string was initiated to help Jason solve lactic acid analysis problem. I would like to know if the problem has been solved.
Xiaodong Liu
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