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Methanol usage with bare silica column
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:15 pm
by avitan
Is there any restriction on methanol content in mobile phase, when bare silica column used?
Is there a problem of "silica dissolution" and as result, shortened column-life?
Thanks in advance.
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:26 am
by Victor
I am not sure what you mean by your question. Are you doing HILIC or normal phase chromatography?
Silica is more likely to dissolve in water than in methanol. I believe that even in water this process is very slow until a pH of 6-7 is reached and is clearly much more serious at high pH-alkaline solutions can etch glass.
If you are doing HILIC, you need to keep at least a few % water in the mobile phase for the mechanism to work. Alternatively, if you have a large proportion of water you may not be able to retain your compounds.
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:26 am
by vincenzoxxx
As you know methanol dissolve bare silica but, according to my opinion and experience (not much for real), it'is usually ok if you use less than 10% in methanol.
bye
Vincenzo
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:44 pm
by HW Mueller
Vincenzo, 10% methanol ... and the rest?
Could this "methanol dissolves silica" come from statements which probably correctly mention that methanol is more likely to attack a reverse phase (ODS, etc.) column than ACN?
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:00 pm
by vincenzoxxx
CH2Cl2 or ethyl acetate?
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:49 pm
by avitan
I am not sure what you mean by your question. Are you doing HILIC or normal phase chromatography?
Normal phase, with miscible solvents, of course.
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:08 am
by Victor
I guess if you are doing normal phase, than you have a relatively small percentage of methanol in your mobile phase. You have nothing to worry about at all.
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:12 am
by Victor
Just look at your bottle of methanol. Is it glass (silica)? Does the glass dissolve in methanol? This is an extreme example because the surface area of a glass bottle is much smaller than that of porous silica, but it will do as a guide.
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:47 pm
by DR
Do make sure to use "dry" MeOH as a little water can foul up NP runs.
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:43 pm
by Albany-12303
I've used anhydrous methanol 100% to wash silica columns in the past.
No problem.
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:30 am
by Rafael Chust
I never heard of MeOH dissolving silica but... it is not an usual NP eluent anyway - at least in large proportions!
I agree with all that say it shouldn't be a problem!
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:10 am
by JM
I have used NP mobile phases saturated with water for some unusual slectivity and never had any problems . silica columns can be dehydrated by washing with anhydrous IPA/hexane.
JM
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:13 am
by Uwe Neue
Methanol is not a problem, nor is any other alcohol. Don't forget that silica is sand ... you need to boil it in hot water, before it changes slowly.
However, at elevated temperature and under conditions where you remove water, alcohols can form esters on the silica surface and change the properties of the packing. It is an equilibrium, and water will reverse the reaction.
In any practical situation, methanol can be used without a problem.