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<611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:03 am
by etaxene
HI!! I have a problem with ALCOHOL DETERMINATION (from USP)

I determined the density (at 15.56) of my solution. The result is 0.8115.

How I can find the % ww and %VV??

In the table there are 8 columns!!

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I don't understand

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:57 pm
by crimelist
I had problems..too!

It remains a mystery to me!

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:41 pm
by Consumer Products Guy
Ahhh - your first post.

I will answer that I have been able to understand little of USP in 4+ decades, everything seems unclear there to me. We assayed ethanol in products by gas chromatography, validated our own method. Yes, ethanol is typically reported in volume/volume % historically.

Concerning ethanol USP monograph, there has been no assay procedure included. After contacting them, USP told me it was specific gravity as assay procedure even though not stated in the Monograph, seemed aggravated that I "just didn't know that".

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:07 pm
by itspip
If I'm reading the chart right, I think your concentration, by volume, is 96%.

I've been very confused by why alcohol content is done by specific gravity instead of something more analytic. If you want something more accurate, IMHO, I'd look into a GC method.

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:32 pm
by Consumer Products Guy
I've been very confused by why alcohol content is done by specific gravity instead of something more analytic. If you want something more accurate, IMHO, I'd look into a GC method.
It's because the USP is so outdated and out of touch with reality.... Their chart "assumes" that the "sample" contains alcohol and water ONLY.


I like that the Monograph for 99.5% glycerin states it can contain up to 5% water !!!

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:28 pm
by itspip
The comment I received when asked about why we are using charts made by some guy, circa 1890, for alcohol concentration was usually a swear directed at Carrie Nation.

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:10 pm
by etaxene
:)

I wrote to the USP. They say that in fact it is an anachronistic mechanism. Unfortunately the USP asked to determine the title of ethanol with tables! I challenge anyone to measure the density at 15,56 ° C !!!

Re: <611> ALCOHOL DETERMINATION

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:36 pm
by lmh
I'm guessing this is all down to whisky distillers needing a quick way to know where they've got to, and customs/tax people insisting on whisky distillers being able to measure what they've made (and pay tax) before it gets let out of the box. I vaguely remember visiting a historic distillery in Scotland where the final stage was a measuring set-up in a mahogany/glass cabinet with a hydrometer that could be moved by knobs and dials from outside the cabinet. The entire cabinet was locked with a padlock whose key belonged to the Customs people and this device was supposed to secure the measurement of Whisky in some exciting way so that the operators couldn't syphon it off without the tax people knowing. I can't remember quite how it all worked...