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help with optimizing separation with two close peaks

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:28 pm
by mmjc14
Hello,

I am having problem separating two close peaks one elutes at 28min and the other at 29min. Please help. I am open for suggestions.
Method used

100ul Flow rate (ml/min) Nano water Acetonitrile hold (min)
initial (min) 1.5 65% 35% -
0 1.5 30% 70% 40
40 1.5 0 % 100% 5
47 1.5 65% 35% 5
52

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:33 pm
by Rob Burgess
Some more info would be helpful... as much as you are willing to provide regarding your separation (its a bit unclear in your original message what your conditions).

A few quick thoughts:

Are the peaks the same height?
Have you access to modelling software?
Perhaps a different mobile phasesolvent will enable separation

Initial condition

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:57 pm
by mmjc14
I am using 100ul of protein and I get two peaks. Two peaks elute at 28min and 29min. I used the method provided below. The peak at 29min higher (0.9 intensity) and 28min (0.7intensity).

Flow rate (ml/min) Nano water Acetonitrile hold(min)
initial (min) 1.5 65% 35% -
0 1.5 30% 70% 40
40 1.5 0 % 100% 5
47 1.5 65% 35% 5
52

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:53 pm
by tom jupille
I think Rob was asking for even more details:

- The analytes are proteins, right?
- Column dimensions?
- Peak widths?
- Temperature?

To add to Rob's comments:
- a 1 minute separation between peaks should give you lots of separation (like, Rs > 5) -- if you have enough efficiency (plates). This is where the modeling software comes in handy, because you can play "what if" games.

If this were my problem, the first thing I would do is to run an isocratic standard through the system and measure the plate count. A somewhat optimistic rule of thumb for expected plate count is N ≈ 3000*L/dp, where L is the column length in cm and dp is the packing particle diameter in microns (yes, I know the units don't cancel; this is only a rule of thumb :wink: ). If you're getting anything above half that value, your system is OK. If you're getting much lower efficiency, you have to address the reasons.

If you're using a narrow-bore column (which I suspect from the flow rate), then take a hard look at the extra-column volume in your system.

If the extra-column volume is reasonable, look at your peak shape. Do your peaks tail or look "funny". Proteins can be particularly problematic because you can have multiple conformers of the same protein, each retained a bit differently which merge to give you a single broad distribution. Lack of sufficient buffering can also contribute to peak shape problems.

Re: help with optimizing separation with two close peaks

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:17 pm
by RAMBABU G
Hello,

I am having problem separating two close peaks one elutes at 28min and the other at 29min. Please help. I am open for suggestions.
Method used

100ul Flow rate (ml/min) Nano water Acetonitrile hold (min)
initial (min) 1.5 65% 35% -
0 1.5 30% 70% 40
40 1.5 0 % 100% 5
47 1.5 65% 35% 5
52
Can u provide Sample Details and Column details