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Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:40 pm
by skunked_once
I am running a confidential gradient HPLC method on a conventional C-18 column. Mobile phases are water and acetonitrile, both with 4% phosphoric acid. Column pressure is about 2,000 psi. When I use the 4% phospohoric acid in acetonitrile, there is significant seepage of the mobile phase from the top of the nut on the tubing on the outlet check valve. It seems that this mobile phase is very "slippery". Does anyone else have any experience with phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phases or has anyone else experienced this? Any explanations?

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:35 pm
by BurntChem
What type of HPLC system are you using? Do you see leak when you are not using phosphoric acid? Other mobile phases?

If its really outlet check valves leaking you might want to replace to check valves.

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:10 pm
by skunked_once
What type of HPLC system are you using? Do you see leak when you are not using phosphoric acid? Other mobile phases?

If its really outlet check valves leaking you might want to replace to check valves.
Dionex Ultimate 3000 HPLC. No leak or only minor seepage when using pure acetonitrile or methanol.

The leak is not from the check valve itself but is coming out the top of the nut that connects to the outlet check valve. I have already tightened the nut but the leak is still there.

I have also ordered new check valves and new tubing for the pump head to install if necessary.

I am curious if anyone else has had leaks with phosphoric acid in acetonitrile as a mobile phase.

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:53 am
by BurntChem
Is the pressure of the system normal? How does the pressure compare with and without phosphoric acid?

Be aware that at certain concentrations buffers can precipitate when organic solvent concentrations get too high. However, I don't have a handy chart for solubility of phosphoric acid in acetonitrile.

Also be aware when using buffers like phosphoric acid that systems should be rinsed regularly to remove buffers from various system components. Salts can build up on various parts causing scratches, clogging, or corrosion.

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:20 am
by Klaus I.
This is a known problem of the Ultimate when mobile phase with TFA is used. Apparently the material of the steel capillary / ferrule corrodes under certain conditions. This phenomenon is more pronounced for the part mainly used with organic. Your phosphoric acid content is unusual high; most probably there is the same problem.

Some years ago (~5?), Dionex have changed this capillaries at the pump. New systems are now shipped with a special type of the Viper capillaries to solve this problem.

I recommend you to ask the Thermo/Dionex service for the new type of capillaries and the dedicated torque wrench. Also replace all capillaries between pump heads and injector with Vipers, it is a matter of time that leakages will occur also on other places were there conventional capillaries are installed.

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:50 am
by danko
4% Phosphoric acid? Please don't drink it :lol:
Are you sure it isn't supose to be 0.4%?
I can't see what would be the rationale for using so high concentration.

Best Regards

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:33 pm
by skunked_once
Danko: You are correct. I rechecked my calculations and it is 0.4% phosphoric acid. Dang those pesky decimal places.

Klaus I.: This is what I suspected. Thank you for the information about the tubing. I will replace the tubing and try again.

Thank you all for your helpful questions and suggestions. I will try to remember to post again when I have the problem solved.

Re: Leak using phosphoric acid/acetonitrile mobile phase.

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:33 pm
by skunked_once
UPDATE: I installed a piece of PEEK tubing in the pump where the leak was taking place. This temporarily solved the leak problem until I can obtain replacement tubing. My retention times are now stable. Thanks again for the replies to my problem.