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Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:41 am
by walker8476
If you get a zero absorbance for a sample, is the concentration therefore, zero?
Because if you create a calibration curve and solve the equation for the line, you don't get a zero concentration.
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:55 pm
by Johnny Rod
Depends if you have subtracted your solvent blank and you are in the linear range. Are you talking about UV-vis?
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:26 pm
by rb6banjo
It doesn't really matter. All you can ever say about zero response (or response that's in the noise of the detector) is that it's undetected or less than the limit of detection (LOD).
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:38 pm
by tom jupille
Because if you create a calibration curve and solve the equation for the line, you don't get a zero concentration.
The y-intercept will almost never be *exactly* equal to zero. You need to look at the standard error as well. If the standard error interval does not include zero, then your calibration curve has issues (e.g., a contaminated blank, or outside the linear range, or significant heteroscedasticity in your data).
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:43 pm
by walker8476
OK thanks. I have another query about the equation for a calibration curve. I have run some standards through a UV/VIS spectrophotometer. I have a calibration curve with concentration in mg/L.
I get this equation from the calibration curve:
y = 0.0.7755x - 0.0780
So to calculate the concentration of my sample I have substituted in the absorbance of the standard into y which is 0.0225 and solved for x.
0.0325 = 0.7755x - 0.0780
0.0325 + 0.0780 / 0.7755 = x
I get a concentration of 0.142mg/L
I would also like to calculate concentration by using the formula: c = A/el
As I understand it, e (molar extinction coefficient) would be 0.7755 from the same equation:
0.0325 = 0.7755x - 0.0780
c = 0.0325/0.7755 x 1 = 0.045
I get a concentration of 0.045mg/L
Why do I get a different concentration value? There's something I'm missing.
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:11 am
by tom jupille
As I understand it, e (molar extinction coefficient) would be 0.7755 from the same equation:
Several flaws in that statement:
1. That would be true only if the y-intercept were zero.
2. What you're looking at is not *molar* extinction coefficient, but *mass* extinction coefficient (you need to know the molecular weight to convert one to the other). This is a nitpick, because the difference in your value comes from the y-intercept.
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:47 am
by walker8476
As I understand it, e (molar extinction coefficient) would be 0.7755 from the same equation:
Several flaws in that statement:
1. That would be true only if the y-intercept were zero.
2. What you're looking at is not *molar* extinction coefficient, but *mass* extinction coefficient (you need to know the molecular weight to convert one to the other). This is a nitpick, because the difference in your value comes from the y-intercept.
So how do I convert mass extinction coefficient to molar extinction coefficient?
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:56 pm
by tom jupille
By converting mass to moles (i.e., divide mass my molecular weight).
It actually doesn't matter whether you do your calibration in mass or moles, and it's more convenient to use mass. Just be consistent.
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:35 am
by walker8476
By converting mass to moles (i.e., divide mass my molecular weight).
It actually doesn't matter whether you do your calibration in mass or moles, and it's more convenient to use mass. Just be consistent.
I'm not sure I understand what the 0.7755 in the equation actually is. Is this a mass e.g. 0.7755mg?
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:12 am
by tom jupille
I'm not sure I understand what the 0.7755 in the equation actually is. Is this a mass e.g. 0.7755mg?
No, it's the slope of your calibtation line. If you remember from your first-year algebra class, the slope is "the rise over the run" (i.e., y/x), so the units in this case would be (mg/mL)/AU.
Re: Spectrophotometry Question
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:08 pm
by Fernando
Hi walker8476
Why your absorbance is so small I think 0.0325 is very low. You must use a value of absorbance in the middle of your calibration curve, say 0.3 or 0.4, is this an assay?
Fernando.