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Upgrading a GC or a brand new one?

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:26 pm
by Gaston
Hello,

After a few months, I am back with some new GC-related existential problems and I look again for your kind help :)

Here's our issue: we need a system to analyze CO, H2, and hydrocarbons (CH4, C2H4) in a CO2 stream down to the low ppm level. I've been getting decent results so far for CO with a ShinCarbon ST column and the TCD, but now we need the complete deal, meaning that we have to upgrade to a TCD/FID+Methanizer setup in order to be able to determine all of these components reliably and with a low limit of detection.

Our GC is equipped with a TCD and an FID, so we have received a quote for an upgrade by adding a methanizer to our 6890. The TCD and the FID (the capillary-optimized version) are already installed in the GC. The idea is to install the FID and the methanizer in series with the TCD, adding a valve in between to vent CO2 before it reaches the methanizer and avoid deactivating the catalyst too quickly (seeing that our samples are almost completely CO2). The layout of the proposed upgrade is this one:

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Alright, so this looks pretty standard. However, I am a bit skeptical about the suggestion of a single capillary column for this application; most references I have read use a [packed] polar column to retain CO2 and then separate the other components in a Molsieve column. Do you have any experience performing this analysis on a GS-CarbonPLOT column?

On the other hand, we have received a quote from a brand-new GC from SRI (the Multi-Gas #3 configuration), with the two detectors, the methanizer and two packed columns for a very competitive price compared to the upgrade. We have no experience with SRI and we were looking for any opinions or suggestions, particularly in regards to their reliability, ease of use and technical support.

Any help or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Re: Upgrading a GC or a brand new one?

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:50 pm
by muGC
Do you need H2 and CO down to low ppm or just hydrocarbons? If the latter, look into getting a refinery gas analyzer (RGA) from PAC or Agilent.

Re: Upgrading a GC or a brand new one?

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:26 pm
by Gaston
All components down to low ppm would be the best. In fact, CO is our most "important" analyte.

Re: Upgrading a GC or a brand new one?

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:16 pm
by AICMM
Can I suggest an HID to replace the TCD. Can do the hydrogen, can do the CO at ppm levels with no significant difficulty. Even with methanizer, I believe you will have a problem with ppm levels of CO without a very large loop. Probably can do this for about the price of the methanizer.....

Best regards,

AICMM