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soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:59 am
by willemdm
hi,
about one year we are running an analysis of sugars, only since the last month we get some serious soot formation at our FID detector.
configuration of our detector is as following:
temperature: 350°C
H2 flow: 35 ml/min
air flow: 350 ml/min
the method is running on H2 as carrier gas (about 8 ml/min).
No chlorinated solvents or dirty samples are running for the moment.
any help is welcome
grtz
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:32 am
by CE Instruments
Any changes that coincide with that date ? Is your column high enough in the jet ?
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:21 am
by dblux_
hi,
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air flow: 350 ml/min
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grtz
air flow should be checked with flowmeter
seems that the air flow is not sufficient to burn solvent without soot
havn't you changed injection volume by accident ?
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:53 am
by Peter Apps
Your flame is running fuel rich due to the 8 ml/min carrier gas (I presume that this is with a megabore capillary ?). This is not likely to be the sole cause of the soot, but try reducing the hydrogen to the FID to 30 ml/min. You must be derivatizing the sugars - any change to that process, new reagents etc ?
Peter
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:54 am
by Bigbear
Are you running make up flow? Total flow through the FID should be 30-60 cc/min.
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:03 pm
by willemdm
the capillary we are using is indeed quiet wide (0.320 µm)
the sugars are indeed derivatized, otherwise GC wouldn't work i guess

we are using the same method for a couple of years so nothing has changed in that proces.
thanks for the many tips, we will check wether everything is still installed properly and check flows...
grtz
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:48 pm
by Peter Apps
The optimum volume flow rate for the column diameter that you have is about 3-4 ml/min. is there a reason why you are running the gas so fast ?
I doubt very much that you have been using the same bottles of reagents to 2 years (and if you have they will have deteriorated). Did a new bottle of anything come into use just before the soot problems started ?.
Peter
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:21 pm
by willemdm
we use a fast temperature gradient together with a fast flow to optimize the time of the analysis.
there are no new manifacturers of product or no change in grade of products.
all reagents are prepared fresh on a weekly base.
grtz
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:10 am
by willemdm
Hi,
decreasing the H2 flow of the FID solved the problem.
thanks for the feedback!
Re: soot formation FID
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:15 am
by Peter Apps
Hi,
decreasing the H2 flow of the FID solved the problem.
thanks for the feedback!
Good to hear.
Peter