Chemstation A.10.02 download?

[cyoung]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knew where to find a download of Chemstation Rev. A.10.02. We recently acquired a "new" 5890 GC and autosampler. Problem is, I've already got 2 5890s with autosamplers on one computer. As far as I understand, that's the maximum allowable instruments Chemstation will support on one computer. I have no idea where my predecessor put the original software disc. If anyone can help me out, I'd appreciate it!

[dblux_]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knew where to find a download of Chemstation Rev. A.10.02. We recently acquired a "new" 5890 GC and autosampler. Problem is, I've already got 2 5890s with autosamplers on one computer. As far as I understand, that's the maximum allowable instruments Chemstation will support on one computer. I have no idea where my predecessor put the original software disc. If anyone can help me out, I'd appreciate it!

In spite of having install version of the software you need to have valid license for it. Have you bought this GC with software ?
Is there a label with license number ?

[James_Ball]

I have never used the GC Chemstation with our GCs but from using it on the LCs I do believe it will only run two from one computer and you will need a license key for each one.

I do however always use the MSChemstation for all of our GC and on that you can run up to 4 GC with 2 detectors each on one computer with no problems and only one license. For the 5890s you would need probably the C.00 or older versions of that with XP service pack 2 or lower on back to run it.

[RHGCuser]

There isn't a download for A.10.02 available, but if you can provide an image of the registration number sticker Agilent can send you a new install cd.
I recently had to do that with one of our GCs that had been sitting dormant for at least 5 years.

RH

[CE]

Ready to help you, please contact me via agilent2013@gmail.com

[MSCHemist]

For Chemstation MSD B.02 is the last version that will operate a 5890. It is designed to run on NT 4.0 Win 2000 also works but XP I've heard conflicting reports about. I was going to try and put mine on XP with B.02 but I use the 82341C ISA HPIB controller and IOlibraries that run on XP won't supoort the controller card. 14.2 is the last one stated to support the 8341C card but that would not talk to the 5890 so I went all the way back to H version. It is all running fine now.

Unichrom and Clarity will run a 5890 mainly via RS-232 and the 7673 with INET in Unichrom.

[nimbi63]

ChemStation will run four GCs with Autosamplers. It will run four LCs with 2D detectors, or two LCs with 3D (spectra) detectors.

If you did not get the license with the GC, you need to contact Agilent and purchase a G2071AA license to add a GC to an existing ChemStation.

[Alfred88]

Hi,
Did you get any program CD from Agilent?

Our firm recently acquired 2 used Agilent HPLCs with PDA and RID (Previously we had Shimadzu and Dionex HPLCs). Installed software is Chemstation version A. We can operate the HPLCs with the installed program. I inquired with Agilent rep regarding the 21 CFR Part 11, and he said that version A, B are not in compliance, only C is in full compliance.
Also, the software is not transferable (per Agilent), and we must buy full version, at the cost of >$30K. I have got quote for Clarity CDS for $4K, with documentation showing it is full compliance.
Our new QA head only wants Waters and Agilent, but not other brands. Is there another seller of Chemstation version C?
Thank
Alfred

[varossf]

Alfred, unfortunately the OpenLAB ChemStation is not compliant unless you add the OpenLAB ECM or DataStore to it. That adds up to the price.
The bigger brother for ChemStation is OpenLAB EZChrom. That is compliant without a central database like ECM and DataStore. The only requirement here is that you integrate the EZChrom workstation in the domain and re-use the domain credentials.
If you are looking around then ask your Agilent rep for this.

Note: in some occasions where customer already have OpenLAB core licenses we swap them from Chemstation to EZChrom at no licenses costs. However, the actual work for IQ/OQ (validation) remains.

Q Did the Clarity come with full documented IQ/OQ? No validation, no compliance!

[Alfred88]

Hi:
Just a follow up about the issues with Agilent Chemstation software.
I wish that Agilent had provided the patches/upgrades for free, because the version A is not compliant with current regulations (Part 11 for electronic records).

According to the Agilent rep, these solutions: ECM, Data store, and EZChrom are similar in prices, about 35K-50K USD. We have got 2 Agilent LCs with version A (using windows XP); however, it was impossible to get the newer software for gratis. I got a job change (for real) because I was unable to get the software patches.
Alfred.

[KM-USA]

Chemstation version A has one major problem: It does not generate audit trails. This is one of the requirements of 21 CFR Part 11.
The compliant requirements with Part 11 is big in pharma.

Until about 1.5 years ago we used A.09 and ChemStore, and I fully believe that we were fully compliant with 21CFR11. I believe a big issue for those like you is that even if you bought and installed old ChemStore, Agilent does not support it any longer so you would have a non-validated system? Or something like that.

And don't the regulations allow printing everything and keeping that, like the original 21CFR11 had been relaxed somewhat? Anyway, I'm a lab scientist, not a regulations person.

[varossf]

Hi:
Just a follow up about the issues with Agilent Chemstation software.
I wish that Agilent had provided the patches/upgrades for free, because the version A is not compliant with current regulations (Part 11 for electronic records).

According to the Agilent rep, these solutions: ECM, Data store, and EZChrom are similar in prices, about 35K-50K USD. We have got 2 Agilent LCs with version A (using windows XP); however, it was impossible to get the newer software for gratis. I got a job change (for real) because I was unable to get the software patches.
Alfred.

I would like to stress that OpenLAB CDS EZChrom does NOT need OpenLAB ECM or DataStore to be compliant. If your sales rep tells you otherwise forward my reply to him and let him contact me. I have literally hundreds if OpenLAB CDS EZChrom workstations under full compliance at my customers. Depending on the number of workstations you have I cannot see how an upgrade would end at 50 k$.

[Alfred88]

Dear KM-USA:
I am really sure that the ChemStation version A is not compliant; and I have used it to run the Agilent LCs. It can not generate audit trails with Chemstation version A, unlike many versions of Chromeleon (Dionex) or Class-VP (Shimadzu). I have represented the lab to repond to FDA auditors when they asked to show the audit trails from the Dionex and Shimadzu LCs. We have been requested to provide hard copies of audit trails as well. FDA auditors are not easy in Part 11.
In the view of FDA, if you can print various copies of the same chromatogram from Chemstation (or Class-VP, etc), the electronic record (the chromatogram) must comply with Part 11 requirements, even if you delete the electronic data after printing. FDA wants to have the "metadata." And don't delete your data files; you need to back up data and you need SOP covering that.
Dear varossf:
Thanks for your inputs. I may send some old emails to you; however, I am not sure if you can help. I am no longer in the supervisor position, and the firm may not be willing to spend $.

Thanks for reading.
Alfred