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HPLC vs. UHPLC

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Hi, can anyone give me some experience on the comparison between HPLC equipped with superficially porous particle columns (core shell/poroshell) and UHPLC with sub 2 um particle columns? Do they produce comparable resolution?
Thanks.
Hi Parkc23,

I don't have such a comparison handy...in my own experience it is possible to effect high-resolution separations with either completely-porous particles having < 2 um in diameter or superficially-porous (pellicular) particles. A great deal depends on the dead volume of the HPLC instrument you are using...Mac-Mod goes over this in excellent detail on their website in a couple of places at least:

http://www.mac-mod.com/resources-reports.php

http://www.mac-mod.com/resources-poster ... ations.php

As one of our colleagues in this forum often Accurately Says, "It Depends". Does seem to happen quite a bit in chromatography. It Depends on multiple factors, the abilitity to obtain high-resolution separations. A nice low-dead volume instrument is the best way to begin...narrower and shorter columns (to a point, please see the recent publications by Guichon and others...his work suggests that, with the latest instrumentation of a couple of vendors, LC system dispersion with superficially-porous columns begins to have ill-effects on resolution around the 2.1 mm x 50 mm size, read this to see what he means--don't have access to that paper at the moment, could find it later if you are interested) are a good way to good, depending on the pressure tolerance of your LC instrument and the flow rate(s) you want to use.


Good Luck!
MattM
Thanks a lot, mattmullaney. As for the Guiochon's paper you mentioned, can you post the citation?
Thanks.
No Problem: here are two references to look at--

Journal of Chromatography A, Volume 1217, Issue 49, 3 December 2010, Pages 7677–7689

On the extra-column band-broadening contributions of modern, very high pressure liquid chromatographs using 2.1 mm I.D. columns packed with sub-2 μm particles; Fabrice Gritti, Georges Guiochon


Journal of Chromatography A, Volume 1217, Issue 18, 30 April 2010, Pages 3000–3012

Achieving the full performance of highly efficient columns by optimizing conventional benchmark high-performance liquid chromatography instruments; Fabrice Gritti, Carl A. Sanchez, Tivadar Farkas, Georges Guiochon
MattM
Thanks, mattM. Please correct me if I misunderstand the paper (2010, 3000-3012). According to Table 5 in the paper, there seems to be not much difference in the plate number between HPLC (Agilent 1200) and UHPLC (Agilent 1290) when a column of 4.6 mm diameter (2.6 um, SPP) was used. Does it mean roughly one could achieve a resolution with conventional HPLC similar (or ~10-15% off) to that of UHPLC by using SPP columns?
Thanks.
More or less, it is exactly as you understand--the idea is also to ensure that the LC system that you are using is also plumbed to have as low a dwell volume as possible, including (especially) the flowcell. Along with the pumping systems in instruments such as the Aglient 1290, Thermo Accela, Shimadzu Accela, Perkin Elmer Flexar FX-15, Waters Acquity-H or -I or any of these other ultra-high performance LCs go detectors with very small flowcells...the Mac-Mod makes good suggestions for flow cell volumes and data acquisition rates to use in applying UHPLC.

In the case shown in the paper, if I properly recall, the system volumes were demonstrated to be approximately the same, and actually less for the 1200 as for the 1290 (since the paper, the 1290 has been modified--eliminating the needle seat). System volume makes a large difference in the observed plate counts...eluted bands have less space to expand into.

Of course, if a LC system can handle higher backpressures...this better permits the use of smaller diameter columns, and "improving" plate counts further for the same reason...bands have then even less space to expand into. The limit for the examined LCs in the reference seemed to be 2.1 mm x 50 mm...at this point the system volumes became large enough in a relative way to adversely affect plate counts that were expected by theoretical considerations.
MattM
Matt already summed up the topic pretty much and already put the finger on the main point to consider: system volume vs. column volume. I'd still like to throw my 2 cents in.

I'd quickly forget about marketing claims like "UHPLC performance on any HPLC system". Unfortunately there's more to it than just replacing your 5µm 250x4.6 monster with a SPP column. In order to really exploit these columns, you MUST optimize your HPLC system, that is minimizing dead volume. Even then, it's better to stick with 4.6mm columns in order to minimize extra-column band-broadening.
I had the chance to attend a Kinetex "method development" (aka Kinetex advertisement) seminar held by Phenomenex. It was much better than expected, as it was held by actual analysts, no marketing people :). They spoke quite frankly about this topic and even admitted that recently introduced 1.3µm SPP particles are quite senseless at the moment, as even decent UHPLCs have too much dead volume to really use these.
As a side note, I think I've noticed that there's been a shift on the Kinetex/Halo/Accucore/Nucleoshell/... advertisement flyers from 3mm columns to 4.6mm for example chromatograms :D .

If you are willing to optimize your HPLC system or directly use these SPP columns on a UHPLC they can give results comparable to sub-2-micron materials concerning efficiency.

Nevertheless
- be warned that SPP columns will still generate relatively high pressures. I've made the experience that a lot of analysts have no problems running a UHPLC at 950 bars ("because it was made for high pressure") but for routine work on a HPLC they start to grump at pressures higher than ~250 bars.
- SPP columns tend to give less retention than fully porous particles because of lower surface area. You might have to adjust your methods accordingly.
- make sure that your detector is fast enough to catch all those nice slender peaks.
- don't forget that chromatography is not all about efficiency. Selectivity should be the first concern :D.
Hi, HPLCaddict.
Thanks for your comment. I'm not an analytical chemist, and would appreciate it if you could explain why 4.6 mm column makes HPLC perform better compared to smaller diameter columns? Is this more or less limited to SPP columns, or does it apply to regular columns as well?
Also, is this consideration of diameter limited to UHPLC or does it seriously affect the performance of conventional HPLC as well? Thanks.
All things being the same, a wider bore column with identical packing and length will always give better resolution under the same conditions.

I think it has to do with the way the sample components separate on the wider column. When the sample hits a column, it has to spread across the diameter of the column before it begins to travel the length of the column, which should create a narrower peak.

If you want a shorter column to give better resolution, you'll need smaller packing material. I'm really not 100% sure what the drive for narrower columns is, to be honest... other than they may be cheaper to make because they require less raw material.

But I could be completely wrong, too.
Hi again, Parkc23,

I didn't realize that you weren't a chemist...but that's okay. We all start off as something else....

HPLCaddict is quite right to emphasize what I said in more detail...please let me ask, What kind of LC instrumentation do you have or are trying to learn about? In practice, using the SPP columns is much the same as using completely-porous particles of < 2 um in diameter...the goal is to have As Little Volume in the LC system as possible. My experience with SPP columns mirrors HPLCaddicts...they will be most efficient on a UHPLC (such as those I named below) due to low their low system volumes as compared to HPLC equipment designed best to use larger-bore columns containing larger particles.

One old selling point on SPP stationary phases also was---these don't generate As High Backpressures as the < 2um completely porous materials...this is true for comparably-sized particles of both classes overall (2.7 um core + 0.5 um porous silica generates backpressures Generally Less than say 3 um completely porous material) when the Same Column Diameters and Lengths containing these particles are compared.

I'll finish later. Children...are interesting, I love them, but at times... :|

If you are willing to optimize your HPLC system or directly use these SPP columns on a UHPLC they can give results comparable to sub-2-micron materials concerning efficiency. As HPLCaddict continues...

"Nevertheless
- be warned that SPP columns will still generate relatively high pressures. I've made the experience that a lot of analysts have no problems running a UHPLC at 950 bars ("because it was made for high pressure") but for routine work on a HPLC they start to grump at pressures higher than ~250 bars.
- SPP columns tend to give less retention than fully porous particles because of lower surface area. You might have to adjust your methods accordingly.
- make sure that your detector is fast enough to catch all those nice slender peaks.
- don't forget that chromatography is not all about efficiency. Selectivity should be the first concern!!"

Agreed on all counts...already talked about backpressure a bit. SPP is not a "cure" for backpressure...a UHPLC is "better" with SPP and smaller completely porous columns for TWO reasons...their ability to handle Higher Backpressures and Smaller System Volumes to start with out of the crates, so-to-speak. You'll not be able to inject as much mass and/or volume onto SPP as completely porous materials...for the physical (not as much stationary phase to contain solutes) reason. Need a fast data acquisition rate to capture peaks that completely elute in one second or much less, at times, yes. Last statement...well, that one goes almost without saying for any type of stationary phase in (U)HPLC.

As to the idea that larger column ID is "Better" than smaller ID for efficiency (narrower peaks), not necessarily so. A solution injected onto a column generally travels first through capillary tubing, then through the column, then more capillary tubing, a detector of some sort and out to waste or another detector or more, a fraction collector...whatever. In any case, the injected solution volume will have an opportunity to expand as it travels through all of this capillary tubing, the column and the detector(s) due to these phenomena called "laminar flow" as well as ordinary good old "entropy." All of this expansion of the injected solution has Nothing At All to Do with the stationary phase's efficiency, but this expansion makes the Apparent Efficiency of the stationary phase "Seem" less than it ought. If 4.6 mm ID OR a 2.1 mm ID column were filled with the same type of material, like vs. like, say, SSP material of one type, given the same isocratic conditions for both columns and the plumbing of the LC remaining constant, the measured efficiencies of peaks, particularly the early eluting ones, generated on the 2.1 mm ID column Will Be Greater in plate count than those made using the same analyte(s) on the 4.6 mm ID column--also providing, of course, that the injected volume is the same for both and is of a reasonable size for the narrower column (not as much space in the 2.1 mm ID to "put stuff." Alternatively, if the tubing is wide and/or the detector cell is large...all the smallness of the 2.1 mm ID column would be defeated...there would be too much room for the injected solutes to expand in space in every location except the column...and in the case of the 4.6 mm ID column, not as much apparent "Damage" would be caused to the peak widths and heights of the injected solutes as they would have lots of room to expand in the column as well. In this way, a 2.1 mm ID column can appear to be "less efficient" than a 4.6 mm ID column when both have the "same-sized" stationary phase within them.

HippyLabRat--a mistake I still make occasionally is in regarding the distinction of "resolution" and "efficiency". It's possible to have "poor" resolution (distance between adjacent peaks at their base) where the selectivity (alpha, or put another way, distance between the peak apexes) is > than 1. In this case, the peak are wide, the efficiency of the peaks are poor...it's also possible to have "poor" resolution when the peaks' efficiencies are excellent (narrow) but the selectivity of the peaks is poor (alpha < 1).

In the first case, narrower capillary tubing, narrower column ID, smaller detector cell volume and other factors I'll not list in detail can help the efficiency of the column "come through" by not allowing the efficiency of the stationary phase be lost due to volume expansion.

It's important to "marry up" the column ID with the (U)HPLC system dead volume.

I Love Mac-Mod...

http://www.mac-mod.com/resources-reports.php

The "Guide to Ultra-Fast HPLC" really says it all. The other references are also great background, and explain things a bit differently than I do. Almost forgot...practical stuff...even if you choose to use 4.6 mm ID columns, the best performance will be afforded with a LC that has as low a system volume as possible...though older analytical scale LCs will "work"...just not as well as more optimized systems for low volume.
MattM
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