Hello again. I would like to thank you all for taking the time to read my posts and respond with very useful information. Thank you.
I tried to re-analyze my injections I did yesterday which was for 1uL injections and re-integrate using auto-integrate option. But the peak areas were still low and there was very small differences.
I returned back to 0.2uL injections (3 injections of each solution) using the same settings (except for total flow and split flow which I could not return back to the original settings) and the peak areas were much higher and are almost similar to the ones I posted in the beginning. The plot fitting gave a better R squared value 0.9931.
Well, I think there is some progress in this case. It could be that the GC can't handle high injection volume with the settings used.
I noticed that there has been a shift in the retention time for Benzene. Initially it used to be around 2.560 minutes and now it is around 2.570 minutes. Is this normal because of the difference in the total flow and split flow?
I am waiting for files with extension *.ch
It will be enough.
Siarhei
CharapitsaS I sent you the .ch files, please have a look and let me know about your comments.
I don't want to be rude either, but if the lab techs who know how to run the machine could not get decent peak areas, and they recommended programme rates of 30C/min and 0.2 ul injections, and didn't try splitless, then I begin to suspect that there might be some issues of instrument maintenance and set up that need to be addressed - for example when was the last time that the septum and liner were changed and is the column installed properly in the inlet and detector ? Is there a maintenance log for the instrument that you can check ?.
Peter I think that there is definitely an issue with the GC. To my knowledge I don't think it is maintained consistently and I could not find a log book for the GC in the lab. The GC is used for the main purpose of analyzing student samples they prepare for their organic chemistry lab course. The lab techs have saved methods for each lab the students work on during the semester. They don't do any other analysis besides just checking if they got the correct final product expected.
The FID detector that you are using should give you a peak that can be reliably integrated with high signal:noise from 1 ng of benzene - calculate the quantity of benzene in the solution that you inject, and divide it by the split ratio to get how much is going to the column. If the lowest concentration of your calibration series gives less than 0.1 ng on column you are going to struggle no matter what you do with the instrument.
It is helpful to us, and will make your calculations easier if you express concentrations as proper SI units (i.e. mass/volume, volume/volume or mass/mass rather than "ppm", which can have several different meanings.
Shouldn't the amount of benzene in the injections be the same as in my solution? So if my solution is 50ppm = 50mg/L then I have 50mg in my injection, correct? So it is much higher than 0.1ng.
I apologize for the confusion, for ppm I am referring to mg of benzene per liter of methanol. I don't understand about the peak integration and noise, can you please explain?"Integration" is the term used for measuring the area of a peak (which should be related to quantity of analyte). Noise is the random fluctuations in the baseline signal. The higher the peak is in relation to the noise (the signal:noise ratio) the more repeatable is the integration. Signal:noise ratios nned to be above ten for quantitative work.
The chromatogram peak settles at 3.2 according to the screen on the GC but the peak areas of ethyl acetate and benzene vary from one injection to the next. Is there a specific option on chemstation to get the signal:noise ratio?
I did a quick divide of my peak areas for ethyl acetate and benzene with 3.2 on excel and it's not above 10 for all the injections except 3. Does this remove the validity of using GC for my experiment?!
By decreasing the total flow you have decreased the split ratio, which should have made the peaks bigger, not smaller, so something else must have changed as well. What were the injection volumes ?
The total flow decreased but I was able to specify the same split ratio 10.0:1. I couldn't and still can't figure out how to return back to the original settings for total flow and split flow. I checked several other options and they were not changed.
Just so there is no confusion the earlier settings had a total flow of 51.5mL/min, split flow 44.4mL/min and split ratio of 10.0:1 and after the settings were changed the total flow is now 26.7mL/min, split flow 22.1mL/min and split ratio is the same at 10.0:1.
The injection volumes I did yesterday was 1uL which gave the smaller areas but today I did 0.2uL injections again and got higher peak areas.
And now after I compiled the peak areas on excel, I am seeing that my area for ethyl acetate is only between 0.5-3.2 and for benzene it is between 0.25-4.6. In the first injections, the peak areas was much higher. I don't know what went wrong!!Don't worry about it. Go back to the Chemstation method editor and just put all the setting to what they should be, and then see what the peak sizes look like with some new injections The R squared value for my plot of ratio of peak area benzene/ethyl acetate versus concentration Benzene is 0.98 This is actually pretty good, all things considered. How good do you need it to be to run your charcoal experiments ? Are you expecting the aromatics concentrations to increase or decrease when you add charcoal ? - although it will act as an adsorbent I would not be at all surprised to find that it has high levels of extractable aromatics.
I want to have good accuracy and precision for my experiments. Actually the main purpose of using activated carbon is to test how much of benzene, xylene and toluene it can adsorb. The main purpose of my experiment is to find the most suitable activated carbon for the removal of BTX. I expect the concentrations to decrease but how low I don't know yet which is making me nervous.
Edit: I have been trying to find out where I made a mistake to get such results and I have a question. Is there a difference between the results in the report and the ones output when using the auto-integrate option in data analysis?The area that is reported for a peak will depend on the integration parameters that the software uses, especially if the signl:noise is too low, so it is possible that you have two sets of different areas for the same peaks
The results output and the ones generated from auto-integrate option have very slight differences. But I will, for now, continue using the auto-integrate option to report my peak areas.
The harsh reality is, manufacturer's claims and TV shows about forensics notwithstanding, that you cannot just walk up to a GC and start injecting samples into it unless it has already been set up and validated for the analysis that you want to do. Kudos to you for being willing to try, but as you are finding out the hard way that there is a certain level of technical knowledge that you need. What you have achieved already may be good enough for what you need to do. What levels of accuracy and precision do you need for the charcoal experiments ?
Of course not, I never expected direct results but to be frank it is taking some time and effort. Seeing as no one is well experienced in operating GCs here to help guide me I think I will have to accept my slow progress.
I want to have good accuracy and precision for my experiments. I am still in the beginning but would like to present my results with confidence. I was able to obtain 3 different types of carbon from manufacturers and I want to test which of them is the best for adsorbing benzene, toluene and xylene. So it is very important that my GC method will be able to detect the analytes after adsorption.
So do you think I can start my experiment, at least for benzene? My plan is to run solutions of 400ppm and 200ppm of benzene with 3 different types of activated carbon for 12, 24, 48hrs and test the amount of benzene adsorbed using the GC.
A practical question: What would be the best way to filter out the carbon from solution? Is there a better way than using filter paper and centrifuging?
I mixed some carbon with water in a test tube today, just to check, but after filtering it out using a filter paper and then centrifuging not all of the carbon settled in the bottom of the test tube, some got stuck to the sides.
Also, I noticed that the pressure on the helium cylinder attached to the GC is dropping. It was at around 1600psi and it's dropped to 1400psi. Am I consuming too much Helium? The other cylinders of H2 and Compressed Air did not drop pressure. I have been running the GC for roughly 5-6 hours for the past few times.