-
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm
Advertisement
ATOMX for VOC Soils?
Discussions about GC-MS, LC-MS, LC-FTIR, and other "coupled" analytical techniques.
9 posts
Page 1 of 1
I am trying to run 50:1 DI:MeOH soil samples on my Atomx. I am seeing an effect with 11DCE where it is suppressed 4/5 times. I know that the compound is right inside the MeOH Retention time area. How can I separate these two? How can I reduce the effect? Anyone else have luck running MeOH prepped soils on the Atomx?
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:04 pm
Hi Michelle,
Can I ask what scan range you are using for your methanol extractions? And what column are you using for this analysis?
Most of the work using this technique is performed on BTEX/GRO compounds, so I'll have to see if we have any data on a full 8260 list.
Can I ask what scan range you are using for your methanol extractions? And what column are you using for this analysis?
Most of the work using this technique is performed on BTEX/GRO compounds, so I'll have to see if we have any data on a full 8260 list.
Nathan Valentine
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
-
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm
I am using a 30m Restek RTX-VMS column 30x250x1.4
Scan range is 35 to 280, threshhold 175, sampling 2.
I think this is what you want to know.
Scan range is 35 to 280, threshhold 175, sampling 2.
I think this is what you want to know.
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:04 pm
I'm not sure that coelution is the cause of the low response. I was assuming this was merely a separation issue, but it may be tied to the extraction.
My concern is that 1,1-dichloroethene might be simply too volatile to run an automated methanol extraction. It is really the first compound after the normal 502.2 gases.
When you perform a methanol extraction on the Atomx, it will add the methanol on top of the soil, then there is a mix/equilibration time where the 11DCE may be working its way into the headspace due to its volatility.
My concern is that 1,1-dichloroethene might be simply too volatile to run an automated methanol extraction. It is really the first compound after the normal 502.2 gases.
When you perform a methanol extraction on the Atomx, it will add the methanol on top of the soil, then there is a mix/equilibration time where the 11DCE may be working its way into the headspace due to its volatility.
Nathan Valentine
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
-
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm
I am not performing an automated meoh extraction. I am prepping the 50/1 dilutions at the bench and running the samples in "water" mode.
I have lighter compounds in my VOC mix (vinyl chloride, Cl2f2ch3, etc..) These compounds are working fine. When I have had problems with 11DCE in the past, it was because of a timed event at that RT. This system has no timed event. The only thing I can think of is the MeOH interaction since I know it lands at that RT.
It is very strange that this happens intermittently. I am also using a Velocity and a 3100 and do not have this problem.
I'm going to run some standards without MeOH and see how they look.
I have lighter compounds in my VOC mix (vinyl chloride, Cl2f2ch3, etc..) These compounds are working fine. When I have had problems with 11DCE in the past, it was because of a timed event at that RT. This system has no timed event. The only thing I can think of is the MeOH interaction since I know it lands at that RT.
It is very strange that this happens intermittently. I am also using a Velocity and a 3100 and do not have this problem.
I'm going to run some standards without MeOH and see how they look.
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:04 pm
I apologize for the confusion.
Would it be possible to get chromatograms that demonstrate the issue? Also, if I could get the conditions for both set ups that would be great. My email address is nvalentine@teledyne.com.
Unless something is significantly different, like the trap type, we should be able to get similar performance through some method modifications. There are some slight design differences that may be contributing, but hopefully we can address them and make it apples to apples with your other systems.
Best Regards,
Would it be possible to get chromatograms that demonstrate the issue? Also, if I could get the conditions for both set ups that would be great. My email address is nvalentine@teledyne.com.
Unless something is significantly different, like the trap type, we should be able to get similar performance through some method modifications. There are some slight design differences that may be contributing, but hopefully we can address them and make it apples to apples with your other systems.
Best Regards,
Nathan Valentine
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
Purge and Trap Product Line Manager
Teledyne Tekmar
http://www.teledynetekmar.com
http://www.teledynetekmarblog.com/
-
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm
I just emailed instrument methods and P&T methods. The other two instruments use a K trap. We currently have a #9 trap in the Atomx.
-
- Posts: 350
- Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:30 pm
I had an instrument that behaved like this until I put a new trap in. The old trap was fine unless we were doing medium levels, with the excessive methanol. In that case it was also the Tenax/Silica/CMS type.
-
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:24 pm
Thanks Yama. I made changes to my soil mount temp - per Nathan's advice..... and it is looking better. I guess it was a little too hot. The trap I have is definitely questionable as well.
9 posts
Page 1 of 1
Who is online
In total there are 172 users online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 172 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 5108 on Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:51 pm
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 172 guests
Most users ever online was 5108 on Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:51 pm
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 172 guests
Latest Blog Posts from Separation Science
Separation Science offers free learning from the experts covering methods, applications, webinars, eSeminars, videos, tutorials for users of liquid chromatography, gas chromatography, mass spectrometry, sample preparation and related analytical techniques.
Subscribe to our eNewsletter with daily, weekly or monthly updates: Food & Beverage, Environmental, (Bio)Pharmaceutical, Bioclinical, Liquid Chromatography, Gas Chromatography and Mass Spectrometry.
- Follow us on Twitter: @Sep_Science
- Follow us on Linkedin: Separation Science
