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Mysterious ghost peaks with Varian GCMS

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I'm new to using the GCMS and I've been having this problem for quite some time now. When I do a blank run (nothing injected in), I get a pretty good baseline with no peaks appearing but when I do a run with just the solvent (I'm using ethanol) I get a few peaks appearing. These peaks always appear at the same retention time when I do multiple runs. I don't think it's the solvent problem as I used two different sources of ethanol and the same peaks still appear. And I don't think it's the syringe problem either as I've already cleaned the syringe a few times.

I'd appreciate it if you guys could give some suggestions as to what would cause this. Thanks in advance :)
Your next step needs to be to use the MS to identify what is causing the peaks. In a solvent balnk there can be impurities coming from the vial, the syringe or the lab air, so getting the same peaks from two lots of ethanol is certianly within the bounds of possibility. How are you ding your injections ?, manual or autosampler ? And if autosampler what are you cleaning the syringe with, and do you know that it is pure ?

Peter
Peter Apps
I do both auto and manual injection. Peter, I took your advice and did a library search on the ghost peaks and found out that they are cyclosiloxanes. After some searching and reading, I now know that there are a few possible sources of these compounds - the column, the injection port septa or the vial septa.

So after I found this out, I did another blank solvent injection. This time, to avoid all possible contamination, I poured the solvent into a GCMS vial directly from the stock bottle and voila!, no more ghost peaks! I guess the solvent in the previous vial was dirty, probably from the septa, as I've done many injections with that vial before this.

However, I'm now facing another problem - I want to detect a compound in the concentration of about 5ng/ul. When I run the sample, the peak is sort of like 'joined' with another peak - a cyclosiloxane peak. In some cases, my compound can't even be detected. Instead, when I do a library search at the retention time point of my compound, I get a match for a cyclosiloxane. I suspect that the cyclosiloxane is masking my compound. Is there any way that I can eliminate these annoying cyclosiloxanes from appearing in my chromatogram?

Gosh, sorry for such a long post. Any help at all would be very very much appreciated!
By far the simplest method will be to plot only ions from your target compound that do not appear in the siloxane - the siloxane peak ins then invisible. BUT - ion traps often automatically adjust for the presence of high concentrations in the trap, so if there is a lot of siloxane you will get a reduced signal for your analyte.

Second simplest is to try a different column stationary phase to move the target away from the siloxane.

Third is to screen different makes of vial until you find one that does not much up your samples. Are you seeing the siloxane inteference on the first njection from a vial, or only if you do repeat injections ?

Peter
Peter Apps
Siloxanes have a number of sources which include:
GC vials and septa
Inlet septa
and columns

Siloxanes from GC vials and septa show an increase in intensity as the samples sit in the gc vial. Solution: use freshly made samples for trace level analysis.

The inlet septum is a source of siloxanes two ways:
1) siloxanes bleed from the septum as a result of heat. The septum purge on a GC is usually sufficient to take care of this. But if this is turned off for some reason, the siloxanes will show up in chromatograms.
2) As the needle passes multiple times through the septum, small crumbs of the septum will break off and fall down into the inlet. These will either fall onto the packing in a packed inlet liner - on in an open liner can fall through the liner and onto the inlet seal. Either way, when heated, these will bleed siloxanes, which can now travel only the path your sample travels - which includes the GC column.

When you have siloxanes in the GC inlet, you may see a greater signal for them in the first run of the day because they slowly cook out of the inlet and condense on the head of the cooler GC column. And, the longer the instrument sits between injections, the greater the siloxane signal in the next injection.
Solution: Inlet maintenance - change the septum before it starts to crumble from many injections. Replace the inlet liner and seal plate sufficiently often to avoid the buildup of crumbs, crud, and other things that adversely affect your injection.

Columns are a big time source of siloxanes. Many stationary phases are sioxane based polymers. Even a new column will bleed siloxanes. This results from things like thermal degradation of the polymer. As the column ages, the thermal degradation increases. At some point you may have to change the column because the bleed of siloxanes becomes too severe.

To avoid degradation of the polymer, avoid the presence of air in the column, particularly when the column is hot. Do not run a column above the stated maximum operating temperature, if you can avoid it -- in fact don't run at the stated maximum for long periods of time if you can avoid it. (For some types of columns the maximum operating temperature is actually limited by the polyimide coating on the outside of the column - and while you may be able to use the column for a good separation at higher temperature, the polyimide will degrade resulting in column breakage.) Baking out a column at maximum temperature overnight is seldom a good idea. (Yes, I used to do that with 1/4" glass columns - but that was years ago, on hand packed columns, diatomaceous earth support, etc. And, thinking back, it might not have been that great an idea back then.) And, avoid injecting highly corrosive mixtures onto the column. While a bit of HCl generated by derivitization with MSTFA/TMCS will have negligible effect on a column (and adding pyridine helps the derivitization, in most cases, so it will be there), an injection from a solution of methanolic HCl is only asking for a shorter column life.

The coelution when you have siloxanes from degradation of the column: Plan A, clip a bit off the front end of the column (hoping the damage is where stuff hits the column). Plan B, change the column. Trying to bake out a column with serious degradation problems only leads to more serious degradation problems.

And, remember that columns, like inlet liners, inlet seals, septa and GC vials are all consumables. You use them with the knowledge that they will be used up and then thrown away.
ll good points. If you want to reduce the "siloxane" bleed from columns, make sure you a column that is made with stabilized (arylene-type) phases technologies. Each vendor offers a series nowadays. At Restek we call these phases the Rxi-series.
what may also help, is that the siloxane is near linear with the amount of phase present in the column. So you may want to consider thinner films, or even use a 0.15/0.18mm column diameter. We have used those with ion traps before, and they work.

jaap de zeeuw, Restek corporation
It seems that you didn't solve the problem if you are still finding high levels of stationary phase. Probably you still have contamination on column/injector/syringe, i would cut column ends (especially injector end), change septa, change/clean vials and syringe and if your problem isn't solved you should consider to change the column.
Do you use your column and your septum at or under the recommended temperatures?
If you want to avoid interferences from siloxanes, depending on your analyte you can restrict the mass range allowed into the trap. Identify the primary ion of these interfering peaks (i guess 207 or 281 m/z) and if your analyte has a lower mass simply put the upper limit at 200 m/z.
If your analyte has higher mass we'll think about it.
Davide Balbo from Italy
Thank you, everyone, for the very helpful suggestions. I've read through all the options and I think that the easiest solution for me right now is to do a Selected Ion Monitoring/Storage like some of you have suggested. I've tried running my sample with that method and there were no extra peaks, so YAY! But I do have a couple of questions...

1. What is Ionization Storage Level and how does it affect my results? It is one of the fields that I have to enter when I'm doing a SIM run.

2. Can I use SIM for quantification purposes? I need to come up with a standard curve and I'm using an internal standard.

To answer Hornet's question, I have 2 compounds of interest, of the masses 164.2 and 186.34

For the runs that I've done, the mass range that I used was 50-72, 74-180. This is because I wanted to eliminate the 73 m/z as I read in this forum that it is specific for siloxanes.

Thanks again!
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