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GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:20 am
by Miranda
Hello,
I’m a phd student (Tuebingen university, Germany) working on a TraceGC 2000 gas chromatograph coupled to a TraceDSQ single quadrupole mass spectrometric detector (Thermo Finnigan).

During our usual maintenance before Christmas, many many problems occurred (last problem: we couldn't detect high masses), which made it necessary to call a technician from Thermo. Before calling him, we decided to clean again the source (Aluminium oxice powder and so on), and cleaned the quadrupole with methanol (logbook entries said, that people did it before). Doing that we noticed, that one of the four electrodes was loose (the srews where tight, but one electrode was moving). Then we did a really stupid thing: We unscrewed the four electrodes. The screw from the loose electrode broke and now stucks in the electrode.

From Thermo we got the information, that we need a complete new quadrupole and there is no way to replace just the electrode. They have a possibility to organize a quadrupole for less than 10000€ (a new one would be around 25000€), but that is still too expensive for our working group.

So now my questions: Do you have any other idea, what we can do or is there really only the way to replace the whole quadrupole? Maybe you know some other companies that can repair the quadrupole? And do you think, that the loose electrode alone would have been a reason to replace the quadrupole?

Thank you so much
Karin

Re: GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:28 am
by Peter Apps
Hi Karin

This is bad luck. You have nothing to lose by trying to reassemble the broken quadrupole - it cannot be any more broken than it already is. Do you have a machine shop at your university, if not in your department perhaps in Engineering ?, they might be able to get the stuck screw out. If not then try a watchmaker - there are many tricks that these professionals know that chemists do not.

Good luck, please let us know how it goes.

Peter

Re: GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:11 pm
by Miranda
Thanks Peter,

visiting a watchmaker is what we will do next, I will keep you postet (next two weeks our GC-MS room will be rebuilt as we get a new LC-MS and second GC-IRMS. Until now I don't know if we can re-install the Thermo-GCMS before that or if it makes more sense to wait, until the rebuilding will be finished).

Best
Karin

Re: GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:15 am
by JMB
You might look into buying a complete used DSQ mass spectrometer, if they can be had for a reasonable price < 10K euros, and use the quadrupole assembly from that. There are several companies that sell used MS systems.

For possible rebuild, you might also contact

Scientific Instrument Services, Inc of Ringoes, New Jersey, USA (http://www.sisweb.com)

who are very good at MS ion sources, parts etc. However, quadrupoles are assembled to very exacting specs.

Good Luck !!!!!

Re: GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:11 pm
by EntomoChem
I suggest calling Henry Bui over at Cal-Tech Scientific, i would be willing to bet that he could drop a nice refurb quad in there very cheap... I just had him drop a Agilent 5972 analyzer into my old GCD! He even put in a metal para. quad. all for very cheap! I couldn't be more happy with my instrument now.

Re: GC-MS: quadrupole broken...any way to repair it?

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:37 am
by Peter Apps
I suggest calling Henry Bui over at Cal-Tech Scientific, i would be willing to bet that he could drop a nice refurb quad in there very cheap... I just had him drop a Agilent 5972 analyzer into my old GCD! He even put in a metal para. quad. all for very cheap! I couldn't be more happy with my instrument now.

The OP is in Germany - I know we live in a global village, but having someone from Caltech fix a MS in Germany is stretching it a bit far !

Peter