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Hi All

Is someone using the Galaxie Software?
What is yor experience?

Thanks Chris

i worked with it in the past.

but for what purposes are you going to use it?

is it for one GC or HPLC?
are you looking to use as a central CDS for your lab?

do you expect to use it for simply running the instrument or are you looking for doing calculations as well.
what are the alternatives that you have right now or looking into as well?
any GLP or 21 cfr part 11 considerations?

Thanks for the reply

We want to run instruments and do the calculations/ reports in a small (5 LC´s) regulated network.

Thanks Chris

I'm curious to see what other's experience has been. My experience with Galaxie has been very negative. Not ready for prime time, and a disaster in a production environment.

There are good ideas in the software - the system for user-defined variables is great, and something they justly brag about when they're selling the software. It has some other nice features as well. I personally like the approach to summary reports, although I think Empower may be easier to use in this respect. The system for defining variables in your method is a place where Galaxie does truly shine, though. They basically have exposed much of the available data as a useful API with logic easily available to make your own custom columns for your reports. Although as with everything in Galaxie, there are little awkwardnesses everywhere to the way you use and share your variables that takes away from the pleasure somewhat.

But it has some other features that show an astounding lack of thought. For example, on every line in your sequence, you have to specify a RunID (Suffix) that gets used to build filenames for the results. When you set up your method, you can say whether you want to use this field or not. The field defaults to zero. whether you use the field or not in your method, if you fail to set some value other than zero (easy to forget), Galaxie's default behaviour is to halt, without emmiting an obtrusive error, and pumpt the system dry. Obviously this is lovely on overnight runs.

That is to say nothing of the tendency of Galaxie to freeze in the middle of a run for no apparent reason... we are a couple rounds of "fixes" later on this and so far so good, knock on wood... but now there's a new bug where it sometimes fixates on the last method you had loaded and if it was a shorter method, it won't collect data for the last part of the run on the longer method.

With Galaxie you do an awful lot of powercycling the computer and all the modules to get yourself back up and running when it has a snit.

One other thing I don't care for, although it's maybe just me... Galaxie doesn't use the degree of 100% database dependence that I would like... a lot of stuff like methods and chromatograms are just sitting on the disk in plain files. Overall, I would say it is not as convenient for organizing data as I would like.

They tried to make a superior user interface - everything you use on one screen for simplicity. This basically works, but I find especially when you have a lot of files open it's awkward and uncomfortable to try and figure out exactly what you're looking at.

Edit: One other thing: The software very much wants you to define either one or two analog channels and use those for all data collection. I think this is probably a fossil of Star, Galaxie's predecessor. The channels cannot be named in such a way as to identify on a report what wavelength was extracted. So you just have to know what channel is what wavelength, awkward for sharing reports with other groups. We were told this is the only way to extract chromatograms in Galaxie by the Varian reps, and that there was no fix. In reality, Galaxy has a very sensible system that allows you to extract an arbitrary number of chromatograms from the absorbance channel, a very convenient and easy-to-use feature favourably comparable to the method of extracting channels in the Empower Method Set (I keep coming back to comparing to Empower, which I feel is what Galaxie has the most pretensions of competing with and being comparable to). The extracted channels are conveniently labelled in default report formats and it's easy to add a $METHODCHANNEL field to your report.

My feeling was that you should ignore the analog channels entirely and just extract from the absorbance channel - it's more modern, powerful and elegant, plus convenient. The big downsides to relying heavily on extracted chromatograms from the absorbance channel is that it seems like Galaxie was designed in this area with the main thought in mind of being Star II, The Revenge Of Star, and the absorbance channel begins to have a suspiciously aferthoughtish feel. For example, there is a polyview-type view that lets you see the chromatogram as it is acquiring but it can be awkward to view and manipulate the chromatogram. There is a nice live view that is much easier to work with but it seems you can only use it is you have checked off to collect data from an analog channel. Also, it seems tentatively that some of our problems with bugs causing runs to stop for no reason have to do with using extracted chromatograms from the absorbance channel, although I don't know if I believe that.

My feeling on it is that it has the makings of good software, but they really should have beta tested it before releasing it. I really wish I never heard of Galaxie, and that's a shame because without all the little annoyances and major problems that come from bad programming and not enough testing, it could be a good experience. But given a choice between say Empower and Galaxie I will choose Empower every time.

Stephen

althou my experience is only with stand alone systems working with Galaxie, i would not recommend it if i have the choice of getting something better.
the software is lacking or barely acceptable in many respects. ease of use is not a feature of that software.
the only feature that i trully liked and that i feel is better then all other solutions currently out there was the way you can create your own variables; but that is basically all that is good in that software.

it is a file based software, data base is only an option so data
organisation, recovery and analyses over time is a real pain.

the suffix and prefix solution that they have is terrible and annoying, especially if you for some reason stop the sequence run in the middle of a sample that should have been injected more then once.

you cannot analyse a bunch of runs unless they are in a reprocess list.
so you need a sequence and a reprocess list to do your work.

you cannot trust the software to both run and analyse and do calculations at the same time, on the fly. the software always got stuck for some reason and did not inject some of the samples.

editing the chromatogram report was not to my liking, many features are missing in my view.

the SST caculations were hard to perform and report.
i especially did not like their aproach for performing summary reports or editing those reports. the only good think about them is that the variable features lets you calculate everything you want if you know how to go about it.but it was way harder then in other softwares.

the displays and graphics are spartans. overlays are not nicely displayed. comparing a really complex chromatogram is not an easy task.
you need to open every single file if you want to see how several chromatograms were analysed
we could not analyse the chromatogram that was being acquired on line.
when you do analyse a chromatogram you need to click twice after you set some integration parameters. the first time you tell the software to accept the settings and then to really integrate?! that was confusing to us for a long time until we got the hang of this.

in my view Varian does not have the best solutions out there; both for the hardware and the software.

Thanks for the detailed impressions... ...It´s a pity if the customer is used as a beta tester


Chris

Haha yeah... we got sucked into Galaxie because we have a number of legacy Varian instruments and bought a new one to match them... but we couldn't buy Star anymore, we could only buy Galaxie. Then we wound up "upgrading" the rest of the systems to Galaxie because we felt it was important to have a consistent user interface.

I feel bad for the Varian reps, because they're nice, they're professional, and they try hard to be helpful... it's not their fault that they have to sell and service such awful software, and I understand they have a professional commitment to look on the sunny side of Galaxie.

But yeah, if I had it to do over I would have said we shouldn't touch Galaxie with a ten foot barge pole. I've been personally toying with the idea of advocating that we switch all the instruments to Empower (I like Empower). The only thing is that Empower can only run the PDA for the Varian instruments in analog mode so there would be no chance of getting spectral data ever again. Every day, though, I ask myself how much I really need to have access to that data on those instruments...

Stephen

Thanks for the clear words....
...no good rating yet.
Somebody´s outa here who´s happy with the software?

best regards
Chris

Hi Chris

I've used Galxie for method development in GC and the only problem that I had was coming in in the morning and finding a run aborted and the GC and computer not talking to one another. The cause was the computer being set to hibernate instead of sleep, and the cool down time on the GC was so long that it exceeded the hibernate setting on the computer. Since I told the compouter (in Windows) to stay awake all the time there have been no further problems.

Peter
Peter Apps

I forgot to mention the best part of all... but there's just so much it's hard to keep track of it all.

Galaxie works on the basis that the window you have open controls the instrument. So only one window can be open at once connected to a particular instrument. So far so ChemStation. The neat thing is that the window is owned by whoever logged in to open it and that person can't log out and transfer ownership to someone else.

So, imagine you're oh say running a 24 hour operation... the analyst who started the run goes home at the end of their shift as those selfish analysts do... and the next shift needs to alter the sequence. Their options are to wait for the run to finish and start a new run, or to take down the instrument and the computer to get the sequence started again under their control. Or, you just set Galaxie to never require a password once the window is open and do everything under the identity of the analyst who started the run. Or, as I have heard rumours, you just have everyone in the lab use the same password. Hellooo 21 CFR part 11 compliance!

Hi guys,

I recently joined a company that use the varian galaxie software but no one really knows hows it works. So it was my lovely job :) to get it set up and understand how it works. Now here is my questions/problem.

I have set up groups, projects and individual user accounts to access the various project that they are assigned too (eg R&D vs QC). Now when i run the software and create a method and sequenceand and then run the sequence, it saves all the files (eg methods, seq and data files) into the same directory (generally into the directory named after the group).

I want to have 1 directory for the group and then sub directories for each project assigned to that group. Then in each project i want to create a method, sequence and data sub directory to store the relevant information.

Is this possible? Can anyone help me with this?

Cheers

MJ

I don't know if it's possible to do with the degree of sophistication that it sounds like you want... we have had no luck segregating data by project, but we do have a setup where data is segregated by the instrument where it was run on and chromstograms are stored in folders automatically created for the year and month run, so I think what you want might be possible. We actually have projects set up but I have no idea why because as far as I can tell they don't have any effect on anything. I'll have a look and let you know if I have any ideas myself, but I would also recommend contacting your Varian rep for assistance. My experience with the Varian reps has been very good other than the fact they sold us Galaxie, so I'm sure they will help you if what you want can be done.

Hi,

You can create a project data path in addition of your group path.
you can find the option in the configuration manager (clic on "configuration screen" and look at the bottom of the page for "project relative path").
Then you can have the following path:
C:/Galaxie/data/yourgroupname/yourprojectname/
where methods, sequences and reprocessing list are stored.
For datas, you can use token to add a new sub directory to store your datas.
This option is available in "user profile" tick the box "use token directory for datapath", then you have acces to a new screen (next button) where you can set your token (however choice is limited here).

Hope this helps

Matthieu

THanks Matthieu,

I didnt want to complicate my first post but yes i have setup the project path already as you suggested. Now all the methods and sequences get stored into this directory. However I was hoping to get the methods to be stored in the method directory and the sequences in the sequences directory within each project. I just wanted my folders to look a bit neater hehe must be that dam QA background coming out in me again.

I didnt know about the token option so i will have a look at that today.

sdegrace,

How do I get the data to be stored automatically in a year/month folder as you described in your post?

MJ

Hi MJ,

Unfortunatly, you cannot split your project directory as you discribe (method folder and sequence folder). .METH and .SEQU files will always be stored in your project directory.

The .data storing system mentionned by sdegrace can be done with the token system.

Cheers,

Matthieu
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