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What aprotic solvents is formic acid soluble in?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:56 pm
by Tremenda
Dear all,

What solvents is formic acid soluble in?

I am after an aprotic solvent that is less dense than water.

Thanks

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:51 am
by Don_Hilton
Google the terms "formic acid solubility" and see what shows up. You have a wide selection. (I just checked.)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:50 am
by Tremenda
mmm...I am afraid it is not that simple.

Only very polar protic solvents show up, i.e. water and alcohols.

I discovered by testing that it is also soluble in CH2Cl2, but it denser than water.

I need a safe (reasonably high boiling point) aprotic solvent less dense than water...and immiscible with water. (too many things to ask for I think...)

Any ideas?

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:46 am
by HW Mueller
Ether(s)?

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:00 am
by Tremenda
I think it is soluble in diethyl ether...but aren't they dangerous?
They form explosives peroxides as far as I know...

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:26 am
by Don_Hilton
About any polar organic solvent should dissolve formic acid. Depending on the concentration you need, there is some degree of solubility in hydrocarbon solvents. (per Wikipedia)

I see a reference to a 50:50 mixture of formic acid and toluene being used for a reaction. (http://www.jbc.org/content/86/2/695.full.pdf) and other solvents are mentioned.


Diethyl ether can be used with proper precautions for storage - but it is not particularly high boiling.

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:16 pm
by tom jupille
what about acetonitrile?

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:25 pm
by Camisotro
Indeed, ACN comes to mind as well, but "immiscible with water" is the one criterion by which it would fail.

May I ask why you need to locate such a solvent? Intuitively it would seem to me that any solvent non-polar enough to be immiscible with water will be a poorer solvent for formic acid than water. So if you take a solution of FA in that hypothetical solvent and add an aqueous phase, the FA would in all likelihood partition to the water.

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:30 pm
by tom jupille
I missed the "immiscible with water" part. :oops:

However, if the object is to extract formic acid from water, what about simply acidifying the water to a pH well below the pKa of formic acid (sulfuric acid should do the trick) and then extracting with methylene chloride?

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:38 am
by HW Mueller
He also wants a density which is lower than that of water.

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:33 am
by tom jupille
My brain is apparently on summer vacation. :roll: But the principle still stands: drop the pH below 2 to make sure the formic acid is in the free acid form and extract into an organic solvent of choice. :tongue: