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Dionex degasser malfunction

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Hi,

I have a Dionex LPG-3400 RS pump. The degasser has recently given a "degasser malfunction error". Chromeleon is totally useless as far as I can for diagnostics on this, and the degasser itself is inside the pump casing, which is non-trivial to open. I've tried washing all the lines with water, MeOH and turning the unit on and off etc to reset the degasser. But I have no way of knowing what the actual problem is. Does anyone have some tips for troubleshooting?

Thanks,

Patrick
"washing" it will not fix it. The diagnostic hints they provide are rather useless (turn on, then off, then on) and those instructions will never fix anything. The warning appears when the vacuum pump is unable to create enough vacuum to degas the mobile phase. IOW: It is broken or just worn out.

You need a properly running degasser to maintain reliable flow and calm baselines. The fault may be due to a broken vacuum pump and/or possibly contaminated or leaking vacuum chambers. The Thermo/Dionex vacuum degasser is mounted on its own special frame inside the pump module. It needs to be removed and sent in for professional service. They are not made to be fixed by end -users. It is critical to have it professionally repaired, and not just swap in parts. Example: If you find the vac pump has failed, then replace it with a new vac pump, that pump too will probably fail. The reason is that you did not find out what caused the pump to fail, so replacing it does not diagnose the problem, but instead delay the repair (and yo are out the money you spent).

These inline vac modules only last 4-5 year and are designed to be replaced or serviced at these intervals. The manufacturer can replace the degasser module for several thousand dollars and get you going. However, if you want to save money and have it serviced with the same exact parts for a fraction of the cost, then look at this link: http://www.chiralizer.com/hplc-degasser-repair.html We repair these all of the time and turnaround time is just two days.
Hi everybody
I have the same error. Before letting Thermo replace the degasser system I'd like to try to replace the degasser tubing myself first. Does anybody know which type of tubing to use?
Thanks a lot
Jörg
The chance that the degasser connection "tubing" in your Dionex/Thermo Quat Pump (not the membrane tubing) is the reason for the failure is very close to zero (sure, it is possible that a section of tubing has come loose, but we have never seen such a thing on a LPG module, ever). These modules wear out from use and a "normal" lifetime, if used daily, is four years. By the time any error message appears, the system has significant damage inside and has contaminated the entire flow path of your HPLC system (if you have a MS, then the source too may be contaminated). You should budget to have the integrated degasser module replaced at that interval (delay equals more damage and often higher repair cost plus invalid data). If you use your HPLC to perform a "service" or work in a regulated environment, then the HPLC is out-of compliance when the degasser is not serviced. Have them all serviced regularly. Professional testing equipment and knowledge are required to test these modules, out of the pump, on the bench. Even Thermo does not have this equipment of test them this way (waste of time and money for both them and you). Replacement of individual component parts (w/o professional testing of the component parts) is also a sure way to waste money too. Standard procedure for the vendor involves replacement of: the tubing, vacuum pump/PCB frame module and the 4-vacuum channels to insure that you start off with a clean, functional system. If you just replace the tubing, then the replacement tubing will be quickly contaminated by the system (so you will need to remove it again and place it in the trash). If you replace only the vacuum pump ( a newbie mistake, do not doe this), w/o finding out WHY it failed, then the replacement vacuum pump will be contaminated by the debris inside the tubing, chambers and sensor. Replacing all four chambers alone, again, will subject them to contamination from the tubing and vacuum pump. We have see so many people make these mistakes over and over. The vendor makes extra money selling the client the individual parts, then finally the whole degasser module (so customer pays 2x or more). Save yourself money, replace the whole degasser module (Please be careful Thermo does not give you a quote for just the vac pump and call it "The degasser") and get back to work. Again, this is a normal wear-and-tear part so should be budgeted.
    For users in the USA, you can send the integrated vacuum degasser module (The internal 'L' frame with the Vacuum pump and PCB, the vacuum tubing and all of the vacuum chambers) to Chiralizer Services, LLC (USA) for inexpensive professional testing and optional repair service. This allows you to have the complete module serviced at a much lower price (you will save several thousand dollars) since any components that can be cleaned and re-used/repaired need not be replaced.

    To answer your question about the LPG degasser connection tubing: Their are three different versions of the integrated degassers used in the Thermo/Dionex LPG pumps. Each one uses completely different parts/designs, which are not interchangeable, so it would have to be seen to know which one is in your pump. However, all of them use cheap silicone lab grade tubing for the degasser connection tubing as std (for HPLC use, not LC-MS). The vacuum chamber degassing membrane tubing/film is different, for the different variations and not available for sale to end-users.

    Dionex / Thermo integrated Degasser Repair Services Link:

    https://www.hplctools.com/degasser_malf ... rvice.html
    Thanks a lot for your insights. We opened the degasser and found that the membrane of the vacuum pump is broken. I asked the pump manufacturer for replacement part.
    Best regards
    Jörg
    If the vacuum membrane has ruptured inside of the vacuum pump, then we know that: (1) The entire degasser module is contaminated with debris including the vacuum chambers, sensor, tubing etc; (2) The rupture may have been the result of age (is it more than 5 years old?), liquid intrusion, abuse, lack of maintenance/service (most common reason) or damage in one or more of the vacuum degasser membranes (resulting in liquid entering the vacuum system). Replacement of just the vacuum pump will also result in re-contamination and damage to the replacement vacuum pump. If you ignore the degasser, do not correctly repair it, then continued damage to the degasser will result and the HPLC flow path will remain contaminated. Please have Thermo replace the Vacuum pump, vacuum tubing and all four vacuum degassing chambers in your Pump to prevent more damage. OPtionally, if you are in the USA, then contact CHIRALIZER SERVICES, LLC (USA) to arrange to have the component parts of your integrated degasser professionally tested and serviced, saving you several thousand dollars over Thermo's price. Turnaround times are FAST and they are experts in the cleaning and servicing of these modules.

    Dionex / Thermo LPG-3400 Degasser Malfunction Error.

    More info: https://www.hplctools.com/degasser_malf ... rvice.html
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