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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:24 am
by PMDOC
The extraction pump has the same gradient as before. Washing with 10% MeOH until the valve switches at 2 min.
On the separation pump I am using gradient programs. Basicly they look something like this:

Time A(MeOH) B(H2O)
0-2 min 5-20%(MeOH) - 95-80%(H2O)
2-4 min gradient to 50-65% - 50-35%
4-13 min gradient to 80-90% - 10-20%
13-17 min equlibrate 5-20 - 80-95%

Running a couple of samples the RT times are getting shorter the higher the max organic gradient is set to.
Often the peaks come out at about 11-12 minutes, but sometimes (with just very slight modification to the gradients or equlibration time), the peaks may elute at only 7-9 minutes. There is something happening here that makes my method extremely sensitiv to subtle changes in MeOH. I presume it's because just a little higher MeOH content makes the column retain the analytes much less. Experiments shows this occurs at about 20-30% MeOH. Other times there are no peaks (or very low peaks). To help this I have doing additional equlibration of my analytical column (Zorbax Eclipce 3mmx25cm C18 5um particle), but even another 1-2 minutes does not give near constant RT, peak heights or peak withs. In total there is about 4+2+2=8 min equlibration time to lower the column organic content from 80-->10%. Adding another 7 minutes seems to stabilize this, and my analytes elute at about 12 minutes.

I have severeal analytes that I am interested in, about 6-8. Not all of them have sensitivity issues, but 2-3 of them have. They all elute at within 1-2 minutes of each other.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:21 am
by PMDOC
Arghh...now i think I understand. I think I have induced a "phase collaps" by equilbrating with to high water content(90-100%).

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:02 pm
by Uwe Neue
You won't get the dewetting phenomenon (what you called "phase collapse") with the Oasis packing (it was designed not to do that), but it is not impossible that this is a problem with your C18 column.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:48 pm
by PMDOC
I've got it sorted out. I definitely had a problem with my Oasis extraction column. After I started to flush it for several minutes of an organic phase it started to work again. But if pure water flows through for about 6-7 it doesn't seem to retain anythng. Maybe not a dewetting phenomenon, but still it's 100% reproducible. Faulty column perhaps?

Anyway, things are working now and I've got nice, sharp peaks.
Precolumn is washed with 10% MeOH until the valve switches. The analytical column runs with a gradient:
0-8 min: 10-90%
8-13 min 90%
13-15 min: 10%

Peaks are about 12000 CPS, RT 11.37. Peak with at 50%: 0.1min. At baseline peak is about 0.5min wide. Some signs of tailing. This is a standard sample in water, injecting 100uL. - I can do up to 400uL inject.

I've been looking around for other columns that we have available, and I have several shorter and narrower. I might try a ID 2mm with 3 micron particle size, which as you say could boost the sensitivity by a 2-fold. Alltough I am concerned of loading to much sample(400u). Further, it may prove to be difficult to seperate my chemically very identical analytes. The 3x250mm C18 does seem to do a goog job here.

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:07 pm
by Uwe Neue
I am not sure about what is going on. Your observations contradict my own measurements. Contact me at my private email and we can discuss things further.

I am not concerned about the volume that you can load. You can put a lake through the precolumn, if you have enough time, enough retention of your analyte, and a low enough analyte concentration. If you still do not yet have enough MS sensitivity, you are miles away from overloading the precolumn.

You do not need a long column for getting good gradient separations. We can optimize the gradient later.