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Well, I am too tired to repeat, but a few more problem for SIELC_Tech to ignore: Analysis of the insulin analogs mentioned in another chain after they got into blood, or the iodination isomers of insulin which I mentioned there, in blood. Or more pressing: Check what happens to the antibody, Ibritumomab-Tiuxetan, after I label it with 90-Y and the physicians administered it to a patient.

Hans,

Perhaps I need to clarify some issues about Primesep. Never on this board or anywhere else had we claimed to solve all problems of HPLC (or any other life problems). Primesep is not a cure for everything but might help a lot in some case. I just glanced at first two pages on Chromforum and found several problems which can be resolved with our approach and this is only on first two pages of this forum.



Replace phosphate buffer for LC prep
Choosing the Conc of Ion-pairing Reagent(SDS)
Phosphatidyl Serine
Basic compounds and low pH
Organic acids: isocratic elution
Tailing peaks on ZIC-HILIC
ion pair usage
organic acids
Getting retention with a zwitterion on Hilic?
Ion pairing reagent interactions
Methof for L-Tyrosine and Lactate calcicum
HILIC column for small molecules?
separation of ammonium from diammonium compounds
Max. ion pair conc.
preparative loadability of an ion pair


Although I want to admit that some problems cannot be solved by Primesep, but market is huge and there are a few hundred (if not thousand) of different columns.

2. Regarding insulin and antibodies: We just entering market for large molecules and our first results will be presented during Pittcon in Orlando, Florida. As soon as we saw the message on other about insulin we decided to develop a method. I have additional moral incentive on this particular one because my daughter has juvenile diabetes. I will update the insulin thread as soon we finish our method – only in case of success (LOL)

Sielc_Tech, sorry to hear that, I also have this problem in the family, amongst others, but just a note of caution: If one is too much involved one easily becomes a "True Believer".

I don´t seem to get around this, but what I am trying to say is, in new words: Your multi columns might be splendid solutions to a few specialty problems, but they create new problems, mostly the type that took decades to almost remove in work on silica. Two other examples with which I have played are Pinkerton(R) (restricted access, I vaguely remember also a Supelco? and Merck column which where ~ useless because of excessive bleeding or excessive adsorption) and the Hypercarb(R). Both may give startling and useful results, but are mostly a "pain in the neck".
I understand some folks being skeptical. I think the manufactures of Primesep have done a great job on their website explaining the technology. The good thing is that anyone can visit the website and check it out for FREE, unlike some other column manufacturer websites where you need to sign in and give up your life history just to take a look at the latest column technology, which once you read about it, you discover that it the same old column with a fancy new name!

If you are an accomplished chromatographer than it is very easy to see for yourself. Simply read the material, access the proper Primesep column and design some simple experiments. Have you got an old method that you developed that was difficult? Maybe you were forced to use an ion pair reagent, or develop 2 methods instead of one. Or you had to do a long gradient? Maybe you got the method, but one of your components is coming out 0.02 seconds past the void. Or maybe you have tailing amines? Rework these old methods with the new technology. Also there are several published methods that use ion pair that you can check out (USP, etc...) Again, if you are an accomplished chromatographer you can check this out in very short time in your own lab.

The best data is the data you obtain yourself. Don't be lazy and expect someone to hand you a book with all your methods worked out. No matter what is published (or writtten on a forum), some folks will always be skeptical, and need to establish their own data. That's what I did, and I am sold on this technology.

My lab has DOZENS of columns that I have bought that are absolutely worthless. Each one claimed to be able to do something, and it was nothing more than a waste of time. Some of those columns have already been mentioned in this thread.

Everyone does different work, and no claim was ever made to say this column will do everything, as no column can do that. I am amazed how some folks just go out sniping, trying to find some application that doesn't apply! I laughed at that one! How childish!

In my work, I have desired such column technology for years. Finally it is here and after checking it out, it found it fills a large void in my arsenal of columns. I have real problems that the column technology solves and like most of my work, due to the propriatary nature I will never get to publish or talk about it outside of my lab.

As I said above, time will tell. Yes, scientist are skeptical, but good scientists don't sit around waiting for the journals and symposia to publish mountains of data, they check it out for themselves.

Its a shame the only "independent" one so far to tell us how good these columns are can't tell us what he/she uses them for??!! Top Secret. Ssshhh....
Only implying that you have no tailing amines.
I'm lucky I can wait for the literature references.
WK

WK,

If you would like you can attend our seminars in UK (March 7-12). We are presenting our technology in UK in a few pharma/chemical companies (GSK, Syngenta, etc.) You can contact our distributor Hichrom in UK for the schedule.
Hichrom
http://www.hichrom.co.uk
1 The Markham Centre
Station Road
Theale
Berkshire
RG7 4PE
UK
Phone +44 (0) 118 930 3660
Fax +44 (0) 118 932 3484
Email: sielc@hichrom.co.uk

That is okay to be sceptical since it is hard to imagine that a small company like ours can come up with something different.

Supercritical,

Nothing personal, but I would be skeptical or even against someone that is using that strong arguments about a technology without being able to back his claims up. And what arguments these are!

"Biggest breakthrough in HPLC in 25 years"
"These columns can do things other are impossible to do"
"I am certain that other companies are scrabling making copy-cat columns"
"It can separate these, that and that" (but I can not show anything of what I talking about).
"Other manufacturers latest column technology, once you read about it, you discover that it is the same old column with a fancy new name! "
"And of course I know what I am talking about as I am a big shot chromatgrapher with 25 years of experience in the field or otherwise -If you are an accomplished chromatographer than it is very easy to see for yourself... (as I saw the light)."

Here is a strong argument from me that I can not back it up: "Supercritical, your name implies that you were a believer of another technology (and maybe you invested your money on it) that unfortunately didn't make it through".

Anyway, my point is that you sound like the most biased person in the world, when you talk about these columns.

Finally, I have nothing against these columns, and I wouldn't have objected if you were more mild with your arguments or you could back your claims up.

I would like to ask everybody to take it easy. So what if one or two people on this board like or don't like Primesep technology? We have only 817 users and may be as twice more readers which are a fraction of all scientist worldwide. A lot of people don't want to post more details here due to companies’ policies or some other issues.

Like Supercritical stated "Time will tell". I could create a 50 different alias on this board and start praising our technology and create a "buzz" from 52 people but rather see a real picture.

By the way we have a very good lead on insulins, separating Humalog and Humulin as well as other protein mixtures and digests. I will update Insulin thread after Pittcon.

And I am just surprised that such advanced person like you Kostas did not try Primesep out of curiosity (I just checked you resume a few months ago)

Well I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I apologize.

I am very enthusiastic about this new technology. I do believe that chromatographers who experience problems with methods as outlined throughout the postings, would do well to check out this new column technology. My intent is to let people know of this technology (yes....I am excited about it!) so others can apply it to their own problems. In turn, we will all learn more about it! Isn't that what this forum is about....to spread our learnings? I have picked up lots of valuable information on these forums, and I hope that I can contribute as well.

I work in the highly competitive Pharmaceutical Industry. I am bound by a written contract with the company which employs me, not to discuss my work in any detail. Believe me, I would love to publish some of the work I have done with this technology as well as others. Anyone else in this industry understands my position.

The information on this technology is readily avaiable and is easy for anyone to check out.

Thanks!

I’m new to this string (today is the first day I’ve looked at this site—I generally don’t participate in these things), and would like to provide some additional information. We’ve used Primesep C for several applications separating small hydrophilic bases from a forest of neutral compounds. Base solute/neutral solute selectivity is adjustable over a very large range by changing the pH or the modifier concentration—the bases move a lot with pH changes, the neutrals don’t move very much with pH, and the neutrals move quite normally with modifier concentration changes while small hydrophilic bases don’t move much with modifier changes as long as the pH is fixed. The k' range for one of our bases is continuously adjustable from essentially zero to about 50 by changing the pH, and this is almost entirely independent of how the neutrals behave under modifier influence. Ionic strength also influences the ion-exchange mechanism but it is not nearly as important as pH for this column. Peak shapes have been very good for us. We are concerned about hydrolytic stability at this point, only because we have no long-term data yet.

Well, maybe Kostas has the problem which I have: Before investing in a new column I have to carefully evaluate which may be the best for the purpose. A second try is almost impossible. It just so happens that, presently, I have more than enough multi stuff.
Incidentally, the only "new" I see is that the multi is introduced willfully here, after millions ($) have been spend on removing it. Maybe it´s correct that the "willful" also means "more controled" or "we know exactly what we got", but I have not seen any proof.

Also, if I may, a reading recommendation for some here: Eric Hoffer?, The True Believer.

I want to elaborate a little bit on the retention control of various compounds on Primesep columns (or any other column).
Mixed mode columns are combination of ion-exchange and reverse phase, so all rules for the retention control applies here. The variation of retention between runs and columns can come form different chemistry on the column (ratio of ion-exchange sites and reverse phase “siteâ€

Links from last message, which did not come through underlined

http://allsep.com/makeChr.php?chr=Chr_079
http://allsep.com/makeCmp.php?cmp=Cmp_012

I’m new to this string (today is the first day I’ve looked at this site—I generally don’t participate in these things), and ...We are concerned about hydrolytic stability at this point, only because we have no long-term data yet.
1) Welcome to the forum (I take it you have been 'lurking' for some time).
2) Compliments on a very good first post (clear, informative, somewhat specific etc. etc.)
3) Please let us know how many injections of a given sample type you get from these columns before you start to notice changes.

I'm curious (despite the typical reception to hyperbole delivered by the board) about these columns and will poke through the chromatograms eventually.
Thanks,
DR
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Dear HW Mueller, Kostas Petritis and other who stock with RP chromatography and “spend… millions ($)â€
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