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Hi to all,
Are there someone how knows the difference between HP and DB columns?
e.g. HP-35 and DB-35 has the same stationary phase and the same characteristics but in Agilent catalogue has two different part number or code.
thank's you
As far as I know HP and DB columns are manufactured in different locations.
DB columns are manufactured in a factory aquired from J&W (Folsom, CA).
I am not aware of other differencies in their properties.
I think that's pretty much it. I've tried these phases from other manufacturers (Supelco, Restek, Phenomenex, etc.) as well as these and I haven't seen a great deal of variation. Best price usually dictates for me.
I used to think they were the same. For what I (we) run the HP's are the ones we use.
I use whatever brand column I have a coupon for occasionally that is Agilent, lately Phenomenex has been sending me a lot of deals on Zebron columns. I don't notice much difference with db-5ms's. I think the wax columns might have more variability with the regular wax's, Innowax, Stabilwax, and Supelcowax's.
I always used Restek in the past, but now they are using the same column cage as everyone else and I really wish they had not changed. 20 years ago I think there were some differences in quality between companies, but the technology to make the columns has become so mature that most everyone makes them the same quality now.
The past is there to guide us into the future, not to dwell in.
Performance wise I would not put a = between HP and DB columns at least from experiance in general. Depends on application in my experiance.

The likely are better for different things, example for BDEs I would in the past never use a HP-5 while a DB-5 performed much better.
Izaak Kolthoff: “Theory guides, experiment decides.”
Hi to all,
Are there someone how knows the difference between HP and DB columns?
e.g. HP-35 and DB-35 has the same stationary phase and the same characteristics but in Agilent catalogue has two different part number or code.
thank's you
They are very similar columns and are mostly interchangable. However,some customers may use one or the other and have developed methods based on those that they depend on. There can be small differences between brands. In fact,a DB-35 is "equivalent" to not only a HP-35,but also a ZB-35 from phenomonex or a RTX-35 from Restek. However,if you depend on having the same chromatography,your not going to want to change to a different brand,becuase you would have to do some work to verify that everything was the same,or do testing to understand exactly what small differences there were. There are also other brands available as well. Be carefull though,and make sure its the same kind of column,becuase some of the part numbers are not that simple. For instance,DB-624,and DB-1301 are both 6% cyanopropylphenyl columns,essetially the same phase.RTX-Volatiles is very similar,perhaps even the same. Similarly,CP-Sil 8 is the same phase as DB-5 (5% diphenyl,95% dimethyl polysiloxane),and CP-Sil 5 ,rather than being equivalent to DB-5 (or HP-5,RTX-5,etc) is actually equivalent to DB-1. Additonally,sometimes a company will list a SIMILAR phase,as a replacement,when its really not the same,just similar,becuase they dont offer something that is exactly like that product,but would like to sell you a column anyway. Just to make things even harder,there are special variants of the standard columns. For instance,there are special versions of the DB5 for amines,special wax columns for acidic compounds ,columns that are made to be especially low in contaminants such as sulfur or halogens for trace analysis of those compounds,etc. Chance are you will know if you need one of those.

If your going to be doing one thing mostly,and following someones method exactly,then just get that exact column. Makes your life simpler. If your flows are calibrated and your temperatures are right,then your going to get the same chromatogram whoever wrote the method got from his instrument.

On the other hand,if your job is like mine,when you run a vast number of different compounds,often ones you only see once every few years,and the methods that they were originally run on used packed columns on instruments with mechancal regulators (and not only are you not required to use that old method verbatim,but you dont even have any instruments capable of running those old packed columns even if you could find one laying around) then get whatevers cheapest,that has the dimensions you need. My experience has been,all the different brands work just fine. I do particularly like the ones that tie the column to the cage with string though becuase they are easier to handle.
Performance wise I would not put a = between HP and DB columns at least from experiance in general. Depends on application in my experiance.

The likely are better for different things, example for BDEs I would in the past never use a HP-5 while a DB-5 performed much better.

I think that might well depend on the specifics your dealing with. Ive found it comes down in many cases to those small differences. If I have two peaks that are hard to separate on that phase,and I am barely getting the separation I need,then Ive seen a few cases where one barely works,and one barely fails to work for me. But that is the same with any brands and depending on how close your talking,it can even be the same with two different columns of the same brand or even an old and a new one of the same brand. In those cases,I probably used that phase that time,becuase "just good enough" was in fact, good enough. If I come back a year later,and try it on the same column in the same instrument,or a similar column,and it does not work,Ill just change to a more appropriate phase. (often times the last time I ran it,I used a phase I knew was not the best,becuase it was on an instrument that was ready to go,and it worked,so I just got it out the door quick and moved on) Usually,if its that close,Id say that the choice of phase was suboptimal to begin with. (Of course there are those times when you go through XX-1,XX-5,XX-35,XX-50,XX-1301,XX-1701,XX-wax,XX-210(or 200) and a couple of plot columns,and nothing really works well,so you take whatever worked poorly,rather than outright failed and go with it)
They are the same column but produced from different sites you can use either in you method without re-writing anything.
Db column were manufactured by the J and W company of California.

HP columns were manufactured by Hewlett Packard company on the East Coast. There were differences in procedures just as you might imagine when comparing building Ford or Chevrolet automobiles.

They demonstrated subtle differences in quality, performance, and price.

Buy what works for you.

Rodney George
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