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ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:20 pm
by crimelist
Hello guys. I have a doubt. I have to extrapolate from the table USP title.
You know what is the calculation to apply when I do not have the precise density indicated in the table? thank you all

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Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:08 pm
by tom jupille
Linear interpolation. *Any* relationship is approximately linear if you look at a narrow enough range, and your table is in 1% increments by weight.

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:53 pm
by itspip
Is your problem that you have a density or specific gravity that is lower or higher than on the chart, or that you have few significant digits? If it is a digit issue then you're answer will most likely need to have some error associated with it.

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:57 pm
by cwehinger
I have a list (AOAC 1990 Percentages by volume at 15.56C) that goes from 0% all the way to 99.98% If you let me know what specific gravity you have I can give you the Ethanol content

Chuck

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:56 am
by crimelist
HI!! My density is 0.807

Thnks

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:15 am
by Peter Apps
crimelist wrote:
HI!! My density is 0.807

Thnks


Seek and ye shall find; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_(data_page)#Properties_of_aqueous_ethanol_solutions

NB NB that density is meaningless without temperature.

Peter

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:39 am
by crimelist
Right... 0.807 (@25°C)

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:38 pm
by cwehinger
at 0.807(25C) your percent Ethyl alcohol should be 95.56%

Chuck

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:48 pm
by Consumer Products Guy
Remember that these tables are for mixtures of ethanol and water ONLY, so one needs to make that assumption too.

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:47 pm
by Peter Apps
Remember also that "percent Ethyl alcohol" could be mass/mass or volume/volume (and a few other less likely ones).

Peter

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:13 pm
by Consumer Products Guy
Peter Apps wrote:
Remember also that "percent Ethyl alcohol" could be mass/mass or volume/volume (and a few other less likely ones).


In USA, ethyl alcohol percent is almost always expressed in volume/volume, likely a smoke and mirrors thing with alcoholic beverages to obtain a "higher number". So even consumer products like hand sanitizer gels are always listed for alcohol content as volume/volume.

Now, when I assayed competitive products that contained low levels of ethyl alcohol (such as Tide or Persil laundry detergents), then I reported those results as weight/weight percent as customer wanted.

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:51 am
by crimelist
Thank you. It is possibile to calculate with an excel file ?

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:31 am
by Peter Apps
Yes, you can do it with Excel.

No, nobody here is going to do it for you.

Peter

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:59 am
by crimelist
Of course.... I do.

But I need a help for formula :)

Re: ethyl alcohol table

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:51 am
by aniket1706
USP in it's stimuli article has given the formula for extrapolation of specific gravity at 25°C to 15.56°C as below.

Extrapolation
Calculation:
Extrapolated Value = R U1 – [( R T1 – S) × ( R U1 – R U2 )/( R T1 – R T2 )]
where
R T1 = Upper value of the test range
R T2 = Lower value of the test range
R U1 = Upper value of the unknown range
R U2 = Lower value of the unknown range
S = Experimental value

Example:
Specific Gravity (SG) for Alcohol determined at 25 converted to 15.56
Experimental:

Sample SG = 0.7893 at 25 .
From the table select the 25 and corresponding 15.56 range for your result:
25 (test range)
15.56 (unknown range)

0.7921 0.7986
0.7871 0.7936

R T1 – R T2 = 0.7921– 0.7871 = 0.0050
R U1 – R U2 = 0.7986 – 0.7936 = 0.0050
0.7986 – [(0.7921 – 0.7893) × 0.0050/0.0050] = 0.7958 SG at 15.56°C.

I was referrring to dehydrated alcohol USP spec. when came across this calculation. There are still two questions unanswered.

1. How to calculate the alcohol strength by referring to alcoholometric table?
2. What to do if the specific gravity is below the highest value in the table. Then the above formula does not apply.

I have searches a lot on the net but could not get any suitable answer. Can anyone help????