elution of acidic and basic drugs in combination by HPLC

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Respected Sir,
I am facing problem in elution of acidic drug having -COOH & F group and basic drug having amide group in combination.
I am using
SOLVENT A :- 0.3 M potassium dihydrogen phosphate buffer+15ml of TEA+ 1.75mM octane sulphonic acid Ph 3.5 adjusted with orthophosphoric acid.
SOLVENT B :- ACN
Flow rate :- 1 ml / min.
column :- c18
Initially there was good elution and Rt was 3 and 6.3 but now there is peak broadining at Rt 3 min. and also there is no peak at 6.3 min .
Can you suggest me anything which is helpfull ?
Any change in both mobile phase , Ph ???
Thanks .
First question: are you following an existing method or developing the method from scratch?
Second question: what is the dead time (t0)? If you are not sure, what are the column dimensions (with that information and knowing the flow rate we can make a reasonable estimate).
Third question: has the problem developed gradually, or did it suddenly appear one day? And does the problem persist with fresh mobile phase?
-- Tom Jupille
LC Resources / Separation Science Associates
tjupille@lcresources.com
+ 1 (925) 297-5374
first of alll thanks sir for replying .

1) I had not found any literature on both drugs in combination for hplc. so I am following literature of individual drug so that i can find best suited condition for elution in combination dosage form.
2) coloumn is c18 (250mm* 4.6mm id, 5 micrometer). flow rate was 1ml / min .
3 ) yes the problem appears suddenly and also persisted with fresh mobile phase .



Sir I have more questions about HPLC like ...
1) For how many days we can use buffer without any problem or we have to prepare fresh buffer daily ?
2) same question for samples also .
3) During inavailavility of HPLC grade water can we use triple or four time distilled water then pass it from 0.45 microne filter ?
4) How washing of column is done in my case ? any special insructions .
hi ,
firstly which one is for the basic compound and which for the acidic one , this methos is ion pair chromatography for retention of the basic one and this acidic PH increases polarity of the basic and decreases the acidic one so it can retain both of them , but i know that ion pair chrom. needs long equilipration tme and retention depends on concentration of the ion pairing agent ( octane sulphonic acid ) i see it is the reason of the broadening of the first peak , and how is the probability of the second peak to be retained too much on the column that it doesnt elutes within the run time , try to inject a blank after the sample , in my work i had learned to leave the system saturated with the mobile phase ( for ion pair chromatography ) overnight and inject on the next day and to leave the first run to be as long as in could be to show all its peaks
what is the mobile phase % B ? it can play a role with that especially acetonitrile ,
try a cyano column and see if it works
Let me be blunt here: that method will *never* work well in its present form.

Here's why:

Your first peak is essentially unretained (i.e., it has very little chemical interaction with your column). That's why I asked about t0 (the "dead time", which is the time required for compound that does not interact with the column to wash through from the injector to the detector). If you think about it, t0 is the time required to pump one column volume of solvent through the system, which means that we can estimate it as t0 = Vm/F where Vm is the volume of mobile phase in the column and F is the flow rate. You know the flow rate is 1 mL/min, so if we can estimate Vm, we can give a reasonable estimate for t0. It turns out that for typical reversed-phase columns of 4.6 mm internal diameter, Vm can be estimated by 0.1 x L(cm) where L is the column length in cm (I know the units don't cancel; this is simply a rule of thumb, good to about +/- 15%).
You have a 25-cm column, so your column volume is about 2.5 mL. At 1 mL/min, that makes t0 about 2.5 minutes. Your first peak elutes at 3 minutes, which is a negligible difference. To put this in perspective, the US FDA in their Guidance for HPLC methods suggest that any peak being quantitated should have a retention time greater than or equal to 3 times t0. In fact, without knowing how many individual standards you ran, I can speculate that it may not be a real peak at all, but simply the equilibrium upset from your injection (this is commonly referred to as "t0 noise").

That's for starters.

Next, 300 mM buffer is *extremely* high for HPLC. 10 - 50 mM would be more typical.

Finally, you did not specify the A/B ratio in your mobile phase. If you ran a gradient, this is yet another problem; as previous posters have indicated, equilibration times with ion-pair separations are notoriously long, which means that gradients are generally a bad idea.

Here's a summary of the approach that we recommend in our Advanced HPLC Method Development course (shameless plug!):

1. Ignore your basic compound for the moment and begin working with the acid. pH 3.5 is a bit high for a phosphate buffer (phosphate has a pKa of 2.1, so you're on the ragged edge), but if the pKa of your acid is above 5 or so it shouldn't matter. I'd be tempted to drop down to 3.0. Triethylamine is fine as a counterion. Do *not* use any octanesulfonate at this point.

2. Adjust the %B as necessary to make your acid elute at 6 - 10 times t0 (anything in the 15-25 minute range would be about right, given your column configuration).

3. Now start working with your basic compound. It will probably be unretained under the conditions of step 2 (i.e., it will elute somewhere around 2-3 minutes). Do a series of experiments in which you hold %B constant but gradually increase the octanesulfonate concentration, going in geometric progression (0, 1 mM, 2 mM, 4mM, . . . ) to "walk" the base peak out to elute at 3 - 5 times t0 (anything from about 7 to 15 minutes). Make sure to allow plenty of equilibration time with each change (20 to 50 times the column volume is a safe rule of thumb to start with). The retention of your acid will probably decrease somewhat as you add the octanesulfonate.

4. Fine-tune the separation by "tweaking" %B and the octanesulfonate concentration.

Assuming you only have the two peaks, you should be able to get a great deal of selectivity, which means that you could speed up the separation considerably by increasing the flow rate and/or shortening the column.

To answer your other questions:
- expiration date: TEAP (triethylammonium phosphate) is a great nutrient medium for microbes: it contains nitrogen, phosphorus, oxygen, and carbon. I would make it up fresh daily just to be safe. The expiration date for your samples should be set based on the stability of your compounds.
- For isocratic separations, the triple-distilled water should be OK (HPLC grade would be better). 0.45 micron filter is OK for the column geometry you are using (I'm assuming the column is packed withe 5 micron particles).
- washing the column may not be a good idea with ion-pair separations because of the equilibration time issue. The column will have a longer lifetime if you flush it with buffer-free mobile phase and then store it in acetonitrile, but you will waste a good proportion of that lifetime re-equilibrating the column. I would definitely *not* use the column for any non-ion-pair method because there is always a chance that the surface chemistry has been permanently altered.
-- Tom Jupille
LC Resources / Separation Science Associates
tjupille@lcresources.com
+ 1 (925) 297-5374
Sir , As your answers to the question asked...
1) Buffer used is 0.03 M
2) Solvent A/B = 60:40
Hi rmsharma,

The suggestions provided are solid based on my experience. Adding a bit of sodium azide to the buffer-ion pairing eluent will help with microbial growth (and using UV-blocking container(s) for that eluent).

Good Luck--see how it goes...as Tom notes, you will hopefully arrive at a separation with the initial peak eluting at 7.5 - 8.5 minutes if you continue to use the 4.6 x 250 column at a 1 mL/min flow rate.

Very much agree with Tom again about trying to wash a column that's been used with
"traditional" ion-pairing agents such as sulfonates...not worth the time and expense.
MattM
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