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Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:18 pm
by j-ray2015
I have 2 analytes that give a significantly lower concentration on one column when compared to the other column. These analytes are in a standard mixture, and the other analytes’ concentrations are the same concentration when compared on both columns which is expected. The columns are basically the same except for a 0.05 micrometer difference in film thickness. Does anyone know what could be the possible cause(s)?

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:44 pm
by Steve Reimer
Is this in samples compared to standards, or are you comparing the absolute responses on two different columns?
What are the detectors?

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:53 pm
by j-ray2015
I’m comparing an analyte concentration from a sample that’s ran on both columns. One column serves as a confirmation.
I’m using ECD.

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:56 pm
by Kaliane
Are these 2 analytes more volatile than the others? It'd be happening because the interaction with the film.... Although the difference in the film is so small....

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:14 pm
by Steve Reimer
Are you also seeing peak broadening, more so on the column with the signal suppression? Hydrocarbons have little response to ECD but can suppress detector response.

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:32 pm
by high desert chemist
If it's only two analytes out of the mixture that have different responses, there may be chemistry going on. What are the two problematic analytes and some of the other analytes in the mixture that aren't problematic? Are you running with two inlets or splitting one inlet to two columns? How different are the responses?

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:53 pm
by j-ray2015
The problematic analytes are alachlor and heptachlor epoxide. I'm using two inlets. On the front column, I get 10 ug/L of of alachlor, but the back column shows 1.4 ug/L. Based on quality control testing, the higher concentration of alachlor is expected. Heptachlor epoxide gives me 1.1 ug/L on the front column, but 0.53 ug/L on the back column. In this case, the concentration on the back column is expected based on quality control testing.

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:36 pm
by carl.nott
Have you swapped stuff around? Swap injection ports and columns/detectors? Swap injection port/columns and detectors?

Has this always been the case or is it something new? How old/new is the problematic column?

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 pm
by j-ray2015
I plan to swap the lines for the inlets and detectors to determine if it's an issue with the column or the detector. Thanks for the feedback!

Re: Analyte concentrations on front and back columns

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:46 pm
by AICMM
Swap just one. If it were me, I would swap just the inlets. If you swap both inlet and detector, you don't isolate the problem all that well. The inlet is where I would be looking anyway...

Best regards,

AICMM