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HP5890 missing parts help

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Hello every one. I am a novice into GC and am learning by myself. I have made an earlier post and now reposting with pictures for more ease of help. So from my research and the tests I would like to run I will need a dual FID setup. I believe I have the setup for one but I have no detectors just the remnants of the jet housings. Below will be some pictures and I will caption each of them with problems or questions I have. I just got the GC and ordered the 7673 Autosampler Tray, Injector, and the 18594A Controller for it. I also have the 35900 E Interface with a TCP/IP-LAN card. Not GPIB/RS-232. In my last post I mentioned needing a MS along with the GC and I do not. It would be nice, but dual FID is sufficient and a MS module is not in my budget.


https://imgur.com/3XrI0s0
These are all the spare parts the GC that I would Like help identifying or informing me which setup they had used.

https://imgur.com/2pidrAc
I would really like for the white piece to be identified and maybe a link on the flared brass fittings for the 1/8" copper tubing to the manifold? these ones are bigger than what I currently have on one manifold.

https://imgur.com/vJg61j2
Everything on this end looks intact for the most part. What I understand is this is a split/splitless inlet system, and that I need the detectors to connect to the top fittings on the double silver tubes (not sure what these are called, not the chemical traps to the far left) Then I will have Hydrogen gas going into the top two manifolds fueling the detectors, then I will have helium as the carrier gas on the inlet pressure manifolds. Please correct me if I am wrong on any step here. I am a real novice just trying to set this up from manuals.

https://imgur.com/gq7N5Y8
Here is the dual inlet system. it all looks intact and complete with housings and heating cores, injection ports, ect.

https://imgur.com/uQr8dC1
Here is the remnants of the dual FID setup I believe was present in the system before I won it in auction. I realize I will need a full FID kit with the housing and diode bridge for the igniters, and another ECD Board for the 2nd FID detector. If I missed anything please let me know.

https://imgur.com/csI5VW8
https://imgur.com/lKziLqJ
Here are two angles of the control board side. I know I have one ECD and need another for a dual FID setup. The ECD model on this is 19233-60015.
The model number on the Network In/Out board is 19242-60030. All the electrical harnesses look sound and intact as well.

https://imgur.com/U7woEUe
Here is a rear picture of the GC where it has no HPIB interface and my metal case shield still has the cover over it.

https://imgur.com/xJ4NkrH
here is a top picture of the network In/Out, and the Remote port area.

https://imgur.com/eyNAEtu
This is the Remote Connector.

https://imgur.com/Xj4XUYy
This is the Network In/Out Connector.

https://imgur.com/wlSQqAu
Here is the inside Of the GC. Everything besides the missing detectors looks intact too.

https://imgur.com/AoEBdZ6
Here is the rear of the 35900E Interface.

https://imgur.com/CetpZ3S
Here is a rear picture of the autosampler controller.



With all of this together I should be able to run the GC once I get the missing parts. Besides all my other questions and concerns, how do I get this hooked up to a Computer to use Chemstation? I realize this requires an older PC, but how do I do this without the GC having an HPIB interface?
It would be a lot easier if I were looking in person, but this honestly looks like a dual ECD system to me. That especially makes the removed detectors make sense as you rarely will find a second hand one with the Ni-63 source intact(and if did it slipped past the institution's EHS/radiation safety people most likely).

I admit ignorance to the network controller box you've posted and I've not heard of one being used with a 5890. That doesn't mean that it can't have been, just that it doesn't seem a common installation. One of the cables you've posted(with the DB-9 connector but only 3 pins present) looks like a sync/start cable. Normally you'll find these running from the "remote" port under the top right cover to a mass spec, but there are plenty of other things it can connect to. I also needed one, funny enough, at one point when I upgraded versions of MSD Chemstation(from the old "C" series to G1701BA) to get my ALS working with the G1512A controller. These can connect to other external samplers too, like P&T.

I've never played with this either, but you may have an uphill battle getting your ALS working with the configuration you're using. Normally on a 5890, whether using an 18594A or a G1512A controller, you'd connect it either via INET or HPIB, but I'm not sure how it would function if you tried to use INET while the rest of the interface was computerized.

At the end of the day, if you're determined to use this particular one, I'd suggest upgrading it to HPIB and going from there. You need the HPIB card(sorry, don't know the number off the top of my head) and an HPIB header for the back cover that connects to the card via a ribbon cable. The last time I looked, a full set-up was bringing a few bucks(message me and I might be able to turn one up) but 5890s have also really dropped off in popularity the last few years especially as 6890s have become a lot more affordable so it may not be as bad as it use to be.

At the end of the day, 5890s are plentiful and cheap on Ebay and elsewhere. It may be helpful to just hunt for a system that is already configured the way, or maybe a few complete systems that will piece together. It's worth mentioning also that individual parts(like electrometer boards for specific detectors-I think I have one or two FID ones around so feel free to PM me about that also) can get really expensive but often a complete system with those same parts will sell for less than the individual part. Of course too most people selling individual parts will have tested them, and complete systems may be sold by someone who doesn't know how to do more than plug it in, turn it on, and make sure it at least powers up.
benhutcherson wrote:
At the end of the day, if you're determined to use this particular one, I'd suggest upgrading it to HPIB and going from there. You need the HPIB card (sorry, don't know the number off the top of my head)

I've got used HPIB/GPIB boards available, reasonable:
82350-66501 GPIB boards (82350), 4 available
82341 GPIB board
82235 GPIB/HPIB boards, 2 available

My information is at this link on this site in the Jobs & Announcements section
https://www.chromforum.org/viewtopic.ph ... 84#p453084
KM-USA wrote:
benhutcherson wrote:
At the end of the day, if you're determined to use this particular one, I'd suggest upgrading it to HPIB and going from there. You need the HPIB card (sorry, don't know the number off the top of my head)

I've got used HPIB/GPIB boards available, reasonable:
82350-66501 GPIB boards (82350), 4 available
82341 GPIB board
82235 GPIB/HPIB boards, 2 available

My information is at this link on this site in the Jobs & Announcements section
https://www.chromforum.org/viewtopic.ph ... 84#p453084


Sorry, in my post I meant the HPIB card for the 5890(wasn't even thinking about the computer side).

With that said, I need to contact you about an 82350 or two. I'd really love to get something newer than a Pentium II running what HPIB stuff I have left, but the computer I'm using now is the newest I could turn up in my own stash that had ISA slot-so an 82341 it is.
Toastybunz1 wrote:

https://imgur.com/2pidrAc
I would really like for the white piece to be identified and maybe a link on the flared brass fittings for the 1/8" copper tubing to the manifold? these ones are bigger than what I currently have on one manifold.


I have some of the white pieces (I think) in packaging that says Agilent PN 5181-3394. Looks like they sell them for $120/10pk... which is silly. Do you need some?
MichaelVW wrote:
Toastybunz1 wrote:

https://imgur.com/2pidrAc
I would really like for the white piece to be identified and maybe a link on the flared brass fittings for the 1/8" copper tubing to the manifold? these ones are bigger than what I currently have on one manifold.


I have some of the white pieces (I think) in packaging that says Agilent PN 5181-3394. Looks like they sell them for $120/10pk... which is silly. Do you need some?


The brass fittings for the 1/8" metal tubing is SwageLok brand; nuts, back ferrules, front ferrules.

The white plastic split "nut" is for attaching tubing to the flow control stuff at the lower front left of the 5890.

If your GC is a 5890A (as opposed to a 5890 Series II), then pretty involved to hook that up to a computer/Chemstation.
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