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Hello,

I am trying to see what is the most friendly software/interface/control package for HPLC systems. Main characteristics are good design, friendly navigation, easy to control and operate. I only have experience with Chemstation and I like it a lot. Please share your cons and pros for most common systems (Agilent, Waters, Dionex, Hitachi, independent providers, etc.). If somebody can direct me (or share) some screen shots I would really appreciate help.

Thank you very much.
Vlad Orlovsky
HELIX Chromatography
My opinions might be bias, but I have about 1000 examples to support them. Check our website for new science and applications
www.helixchrom.com
Hi Vlad,

Have a look at the attached link for Chromeleon 7 from Thermo Scientific.

http://www.dionex.com/en-us/webdocs/707 ... 200-01.pdf

If these seems of interest, can I suggest that you contact your local sales representative who should be able to provide more information.

Many thanks
Anthony

ThermoFisher Scientific
I have used
Galaxie
TotalChrom
Empower
Chromeleon

I would pick Chromeleon as the system of choice. While Empower might be slightly more powerful, it can be a bit more confusing to use. Chromeleon is very user friendly and I especially liked it on the processing side.
I am trying to get a feel on what SIELC needs to design for our new tabletop full HPLC system, which looks like this:
http://www.sielc.com/Products_Phlex_Analyzer.html

This a a simplified version, but we have more complex version of the same size. The unit has all components of HPLC system (autosampler, detector, two pumps, mixer, degasser, proportional valve, integrated SPE, etc.):

We finished all mechanical and electronic design and now need to create a user friendly interface for touch screen tablet. We are willing to cooperate with anybody :)
Vlad Orlovsky
HELIX Chromatography
My opinions might be bias, but I have about 1000 examples to support them. Check our website for new science and applications
www.helixchrom.com
I've only had experience with one CDS, but I feel confident in recommending it. It's "Clarity" by Dataapex. I've been able to interface it with all kinds of equipment. The user interface is pretty intuitive, and their website claims that they are willing to do custom versions of the software for OEMs.

http://www.dataapex.com/

(I don't work for Dataapex, I just like their software)
there are several points that are needed to take into account when thinking of a CDS characteristics

i think that the best software concept is that of a data based CDS.
this simply leaves empower and CM
the others that are file based might have an easy to use set up in order to run the system, but they will always lack the all too important integration, reporting and calculations features that can only be achieved using a data base. these are the features that will really allow you to cut down the true time of analyses required in your work flow, per batch.
personally, with it's mirror like excel tools, charting tools and dynamic connection between runs, chromatograms, compounds and results, CM simply does the stuff better and nicer than empower.

ease of learning, training and using
here it depends how you look at it. if you only want to run a system and see pictures, then the filed based softwares are less complex. chemstation and clarity are really the easiest to set up and run.
but a CDS these days is really a lot more than that i think.
for the 2 good ones, empower and CM, i actually learned empower first. and it was a pain. it has always been easier for me to train new users on CM as opposed to empower.
one interesting thing that i can say about both CDSs is that you actually always need to learn new stuff because both are being improved all the time

if you want to get inside big enterprises and labs you will need to think also of the capabilities of setting up a good client server for your instruments when you have more than 5 hplc in a company.
an already data based CDS is easier to implement from stand alone to client server CDS, it is also easier to go from the different possible set ups of client servers, to decide with or without citirix and such.
here again, from my experience CM is better, because it allows you to choose the data base. empower is simply millenium, and that means you can only use oracle. Oracle is good, but expensive to purchase and complex to maintain. also empower has only recently made the effort to move to citrix. CM has been there for at least a decade
empower set up is too much embedded into the oracle tables, and empower data is in there also. so big labs actually waste time re-allocating table space to the different projects as they get filled. it was how things were done in millenium 20 years ago when data size was very small and waters did not think it would matter and now they are not bothered to fix it and make it user friendly to their customers. Lazy big brother know it all attitude in my mind. this also mean they lack flexibility.

pharma and regulated customers require GLP and CFR 21 part 11 features.
now i know how to cheat on every CDS. you can always find ways to do some stuff. today it is not easy and very time consuming and really hard to conceal. all softwares provide what the the EP and FDA require that it would be hard to do.
what actually matters here is how friendly it is to work in a restrained GLP environment. historically cerity was the worst ever, and agilent have with openlab chemstation recycled some of those bad features. ezchrom is the simplest to cheat if you know it enough.
again we are back to empower and CM. and here there is a certain difference that makes me prefer CM again. I hope they keep this attitude now that they are Thermo. they fixed annoying bugs.
the most annoying bug ever from millenium to empower is the password login window.
for every single opened window you need to retype the password, just because. they could fix it, but Waters with its all too knows best attitudes does nothing about it. the work around is to do "cancel" on the second window to clear them all, but you still wasted the time for that second mouse click.
CM team made sure this would not even occur. and we have seen them fix GLP annoying related bugs like these so that the user life would be kept simpler and less annoyingly time consuming.
unmgvar, thank you very much for a detailed response.

ScottHorn, thank you for the info. I am aware about dataapex, but as far as I know they don't support touch screens and Android OS. Our primary goal is to control our system through touch screen display.
Vlad Orlovsky
HELIX Chromatography
My opinions might be bias, but I have about 1000 examples to support them. Check our website for new science and applications
www.helixchrom.com
I have worked as a scientist in analytical chemistry for 14 yrs. The main softwares I've used are Chromeleon, Empower, Chemstation, EZChrom (and Masslynx, Masshunter, Analyst).

Obviously they will all give you the correct answers in the end. The question is how hard it is to get there.

Chromeleon has one main window with a tree layout from where you can go to all the functions you need. Most Windows users will recognize the idea. It's easy to create, edit and run sequences, which are represented as a folder, neatly packed with instreument methods, quantifaction methods etc. The results are very easy to process and analyze.
For development labs - there is nothing like it. I wouldn't even consider anything else. And for the record, No, I do not work for Thermo.

Empower may be better in a routine analysis environment, but I can't really put my finger on anything in partucular that speaks in favour. For development chemists Empower is frustrating and clumsy. Everything opens in new windows. It soon becomes very confusing and even causes conflicts. Every sequence consists of I don't know how many methods, lists and sets. The main problem here is that there is no good way of getting a picture of how they are all connected.
Empower is not a bad software. It doesn't compare to Chromeleon, but is a lot better than other competitors.

Chemstation and EZChrom, avoid them if you can.
Hi Vlad
Chromeleon has been demonstrated using a touch screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNTPBLuExbI
I am wondering how you would handle data storage with a tablet like controller (that is what it looks like in the diagram on your website) as most systems uses some sort of database these days (Oracle, SQL). This would be needed in a regulated environment, but I am not sure if this is your target customer.
Certainly Chromeleon has been the easiest to pick up (I use ChemStation and have used Empower a little) and it offers a large amount of freedom when customising the interface which may help if you have limited screen space.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
Thank you for inputs :)

Bluesman75, do you know what OS they use. As far as I know Windows 7 does not have Touchscreen capabilities. Is this Windows 8 based?
At this point we are not going to keep to much information, but we have plans for "validated" environment too. Tablet has some memory (64-128 MB) more memory/hard drive can be added on the unit itself. At this point we are working on communications between units, interface, etc. We want to make it as friendly as possible and as simple as possible that somebody without high education can perform analysis.
Vlad Orlovsky
HELIX Chromatography
My opinions might be bias, but I have about 1000 examples to support them. Check our website for new science and applications
www.helixchrom.com
Vlad, we had OpenLAB CDS EZChrom running on a HP computer with touch screen on windows 7. It was the HP software layer that turned it to touch. We did not put a video on youtube though.
Anyway, what we learned is that it works for some activities, but still not as good as a mouse, where you can really select almost on a pixel basis. Bit more difficult with a fat finger.
Maybe Windows 8 will change that.

Whatever, user friendliness and ease of use are in the eye of the beholder. Each system has its lovers and haters. So it boils down to your own experience.
Freek Varossieau
OpenLab CDS 2 specialist
BeyondOpenLab
beyondopenlab@gmail.com
+5977114721
Hello,

I am trying to see what is the most friendly software/interface/control package for HPLC systems. Main characteristics are good design, friendly navigation, easy to control and operate. I only have experience with Chemstation and I like it a lot. Please share your cons and pros for most common systems (Agilent, Waters, Dionex, Hitachi, independent providers, etc.). If somebody can direct me (or share) some screen shots I would really appreciate help.

Thank you very much.
Hello Vlad,
I'm just wondering, what will be you conclusion now. Please share your summary table with cons and pros for most common systems.

Also some details about your user requirments would be interessting (how many systems, what kind of systems, manufacturers of the systems and so on...).

Regards
Klaus
Thank you for inputs :)

Bluesman75, do you know what OS they use. As far as I know Windows 7 does not have Touchscreen capabilities. Is this Windows 8 based?
At this point we are not going to keep to much information, but we have plans for "validated" environment too. Tablet has some memory (64-128 MB) more memory/hard drive can be added on the unit itself. At this point we are working on communications between units, interface, etc. We want to make it as friendly as possible and as simple as possible that somebody without high education can perform analysis.
I have no idea how they set this up, but I suspect with the correct touchscreen and driver it is possible to do under Windows 7.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
Do you have any people who can adopt your software to our hardware? How much something like that would cost?
Vlad Orlovsky
HELIX Chromatography
My opinions might be bias, but I have about 1000 examples to support them. Check our website for new science and applications
www.helixchrom.com
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